Poll: The GD Referendum – Scottish Independence

Your vote

  • Yay, I want to be free

    Votes: 161 19.9%

  • Nay, never untie the knot

    Votes: 441 54.4%

  • Don’t care about Haggis and chips.

    Votes: 209 25.8%
  • Total voters
    811
xs2man this was a friday night in Glasgow, George Square is usually very busy. If you're suggesting that people should have avoided the busiest part of town, which in many cases you need to cross to get to pubs and clubs because of a small number of idiots then I think you're a little misguided. The police should have taken control earlier, it was obvious what would happen.

Glasgow is still a city divided by religious tension, many try to cover this up but it's always there. Thankfully it's in decline, for now.
 
I'm suggesting that there was no need for a stand off, as happened. I know it's a busy part of the town, but it was a planned No celebration point. There really didn't need to be the contingent of thugs, who were sporting Yes "colours" to go antagonise the No supporters. Who in Glasgow, was likely to be full of "Rangers Casuals", and they knew this well.

If they had just been passing through, like so many were, I'm quite sure they would have been left alone. If they came for a stand off, that's exactly what happened, and violence ensued. As you say, it's a city divided by religious tension, and all parties involved knew this well.

I am simply suggesting, that BOTH sides of the violence should be taking responsibility for what happened. It was not one sided.

Heck, whats a Friday night out in Glasgow without a few stabbings, and firebombs?
 
cainer said:
proof here of a no voter being hit..
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You know things are getting out of hand when a Superintendent is on the front line with his baton out.

Looks like people are using the indy vote as a excuse for disorder, it's not like we've not seen people fighting looking for any excuse to justify it.
 
I look at these scenes and they appear very familiar as a resident of Northern Ireland. Nationalism and Loyalism used as war cries for what are essentially a bunch of hoods and thugs, with some genuine idealists caught in the middle.

I really do wonder why people think it is to their benefit to weaken their own country even more with such divisive politics, especially given that it could be argued that countries are somewhat irrelevant in a globalized modern world.
 
Commala said:
I look at these scenes and they appear very familiar as a resident of Northern Ireland. Nationalism and Loyalism used as war cries for what are essentially a bunch of hoods and thugs, with some genuine idealists caught in the middle.

I really do wonder why people think it is to their benefit to weaken their own country even more with such divisive politics, especially given that it could be argued that countries are somewhat irrelevant in a globalized modern world.
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Which is precisely the point of independence. It's not nationalism as much as decentralisation.

The result yesterday has absolutely sickened me, to the point that I have no faith in the people of my country anymore. Not that I was ever a patriot. As soon as I graduate I'll be looking to leave.

I'll not pay a penny more of my income to be claimed on expenses by some fatcat Tory backbencher, nor will I fund weapons of mass destruction or a belligerent post-imperialist foreign policy. Neither am I inclined to get into politics and try to change things from the inside like some of my friends have suggested. The fact that 2 million Scots chose to remain there tells it's own story; there's no point.

I'd urge all fellow yes voters to do the same and leave the country, or at the very least engage in social irresponsibility. I'll be laughing like a drain when Scotland burns, and I'll be making a point of rubbing it in the face of every No voter I know.
 
Illgresi said:
The result yesterday has absolutely sickened me, to the point that I have no faith in the people of my country anymore. Not that I was ever a patriot. As soon as I graduate I'll be looking to leave.
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Dont let the door hit you on the way out.

The rest of us will be here picking up the pieces.
 
Illgresi said:
I'd urge all fellow yes voters to do the same and leave the country, or at the very least engage in social irresponsibility. I'll be laughing like a drain when Scotland burns, and I'll be making a point of rubbing it in the face of every No voter I know.
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Just out of interest where would you move to?
 
Illgresi said:
Which is precisely the point of independence. It's not nationalism as much as decentralisation.

The result yesterday has absolutely sickened me, to the point that I have no faith in the people of my country anymore. Not that I was ever a patriot. As soon as I graduate I'll be looking to leave.

I'll not pay a penny more of my income to be claimed on expenses by some fatcat Tory backbencher, nor will I fund weapons of mass destruction or a belligerent post-imperialist foreign policy. Neither am I inclined to get into politics and try to change things from the inside like some of my friends have suggested. The fact that 2 million Scots chose to remain there tells it's own story; there's no point.

I'd urge all fellow yes voters to do the same and leave the country, or at the very least engage in social irresponsibility. I'll be laughing like a drain when Scotland burns, and I'll be making a point of rubbing it in the face of every No voter I know.
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You would rather your country "burns" because a democratic vote didn't go the way you wanted?

Toys and prams springs to mind here.

Out of interest, where are you intending on moving to, once you've used the free education system?
 
Illgresi said:
The result yesterday has absolutely sickened me, to the point that I have no faith in the people of my country anymore. Not that I was ever a patriot. As soon as I graduate I'll be looking to leave.
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I'd urge all fellow yes voters to do the same and leave the country, or at the very least engage in social irresponsibility. I'll be laughing like a drain when Scotland burns, and I'll be making a point of rubbing it in the face of every No voter I know.
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Wow, just wow. I really don't understand the thinking behind some people.
I didn't get my way so I'm going to take my free education then bail out?
Encouraging social irresponsibility?
Laughing when Scotland burns?
It sounds like you are exactly like the kind of person the rest of us would be quite happy to be without.
If you are so concerned about Scotland, and thought that independence was the way forward, I don't see why you would suggest either leaving or actively causing problems. How is that going to help and improve the country you are so concerned about?
I consider that far more unpatriotic and negative than voting no.
 
Rofflay said:
How else do you prove a lodge member is present then? When the uniform is off they are a normal person, You can call them a Unionist the Orange Lodge are not going to kick off in a square with bottles of buckfast.
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Exactly my point, you see no trace of them in videos because if any are there they're obviously not going to be there wearing that stupid looking crap they wear. That being said plenty of them caught on camera going mental when their march got stopped at twaddell last year.
 
Gerard said:
Exactly my point, you see no trace of them in videos because if any are there they're obviously not going to be there wearing that stupid looking crap they wear. That being said plenty of them caught on camera going mental when their march got stopped at twaddell last year.
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You dont get my point, Did you see the SNP YES voting police bash the Union voter? Well no because you do not treat them the same. If your going to label someone as a lodge member outside of actual lodge events then you must do the same with everyone else. But just remember how much havoc that will cause!


As for the last page on here, All the links posted on the last page were complete lies by the yes camp trying to stir up trouble. Remember when they said someone set a fire? Wrong it was a normal non related electric fire outside the Herald offices. Did someone get stabbed on twitter? Well no according to the police there were no reported incidents. You could go on and on about the dirty tricks. Remember who sprayed houses to be burned after independance? And here we are trying to make out these 2000 people who charged once and and let off a flare are the worst? :rolleyes:


Lovely attempt to tar the whole NO camp and then run off without coming back with the decency to update your posts!
 
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Trying to claim the ones that kicked off in Glasgow are OO because they're Union supporters is like trying to claim the ones who kicked off at Lansdowne road in 95 are OO because they're also Union supporters.

Whatever happened to just being a bunch of ****ed up ******s?
 
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