The Grand Tour

Gibbo · 13 Dec 2017 at 16:56

I may have missed this but I watched episode 1 of season 2 last night and witnessed the crash and something is not adding up for me.

In the episode they make no mention of mechanical failure, but as he'd crossed the finish line why was he still going full chat, surely he would have lifted and being slowing down, or was he trying to put in another fast lap? If the latter than I suspect the car was simply to quick for him to handle and he missed his braking point, or had he slowed down but had a braking failure or other failure in the car.

Just seems odd he had so much over speed into the corner considering he'd done his timed lap. Maybe its being discussed already, so apologies if I have missed it.

AndyCr15 · 13 Dec 2017 at 17:22

I have to say when I first watched it, I too thought he kept going after the finish. There's no more laps though, it was a hill climb. I think his bigger problem was he effectively did a Scandinavian flick and swung the rear round to his right as he then slid off the hill!

Glaucus · 13 Dec 2017 at 17:26

Its been a while since i watched it, but probably in here.

The_Abyss · 13 Dec 2017 at 17:27

Gibbo said:
or was he trying to put in another fast lap?

Its a hill climb!

crinkleshoes · 13 Dec 2017 at 17:30

Glaucus said:
it very much depends on who they have on, just like last time.
if you know them then chances are it'll be a good segment, if not then it'll be lame.

although I'm sure they could tweak it, I mean it's a car show, there must be a group of celebs most car people know. rather than having the usual celeb magazine type people on, or randoms.

I have no idea who the cocky yorkshire lad was... everyone knows Hoff

Gibbo · 13 Dec 2017 at 18:55

The_Abyss said:
Its a hill climb!

So baffles the mind then, either showing off and went wrong or a failure in the car they are not mentioning.

crinkleshoes · 13 Dec 2017 at 19:41

Gibbo said:
So baffles the mind then, either showing off and went wrong or a failure in the car they are not mentioning.

Watch the video of him talking about it... he missed the finish line and thought there was one more corner and misjudged it... IIRC

Entai · 14 Dec 2017 at 05:51

It is in the video, they go through the data from the car, and decide it is the car not understanding what he wanted to do, coupled with possibly a bug in the programming.

Hammond says in the video that they had been playing about loads on the airfield trying to provoke the car into oversteer but i never would, no matter what he tried.

Then come the hillclimb that last run he was going way way faster at that point than he had done previously, the rear end stepped out slightly on the right hander just before the crash, and he put in a bit of steering to counteract that, then the left hander appeared at a much faster speed than he had arrived before, so he put in loads of left hand steer, more than he had ever done before, so the car said "oh ok you want to turn left, you want to turn very hard left NOW !!!" so it vectored torque and power to the 4 wheels in such a way that the car almost turned within its own length, lost grip and slid off the mountain.

MooMoo444 · 14 Dec 2017 at 11:38

Great ep

but man did I wince when the Lambo was scraping the nose.

Scania · 14 Dec 2017 at 11:39

Entai said:
It is in the video, they go through the data from the car, and decide it is the car not understanding what he wanted to do, coupled with possibly a bug in the programming.

Hammond says in the video that they had been playing about loads on the airfield trying to provoke the car into oversteer but i never would, no matter what he tried.

Then come the hillclimb that last run he was going way way faster at that point than he had done previously, the rear end stepped out slightly on the right hander just before the crash, and he put in a bit of steering to counteract that, then the left hander appeared at a much faster speed than he had arrived before, so he put in loads of left hand steer, more than he had ever done before, so the car said "oh ok you want to turn left, you want to turn very hard left NOW !!!" so it vectored torque and power to the 4 wheels in such a way that the car almost turned within its own length, lost grip and slid off the mountain.

Pretty much how I understood his comments, makes you wonder about “driver aids” in modern vehicles, effectively he had the situation in hand (perhaps) until the computer thought different and effectively caused the crash...

One thing that really struck me was how old Clarkson & May both looked, it’ll be the geriatric day our soon rather than the grand tour!

Conscript · 14 Dec 2017 at 13:53

Watched this last night. A great return to form, definitely felt more like the old TG. Enjoyed the main road trip. The celebrity bit had my attention wandering, not interested in it all that much - but I never was on TG either. Looking forward to tomorrow's episode.

Jester* · 14 Dec 2017 at 15:42

I think the celebrity bit is the best celebrity bit of the recent Top Gears. But that is like saying a cold is better than having the flu.

IC3 · 14 Dec 2017 at 20:59

crinkleshoes said:
You guys really all enjoy watching the celeb crap?

Nope, I think they should get rid of it. I only watch the timelap part, when they have celebs I like or follow apart from that I wouldn't mind if they removed it and did some car challenge instead.

Flibster · 15 Dec 2017 at 01:38

Hammond on crutches travelling through the New York Metro system...

I've been on crutches at several times in my life and in no way would want to travel on the London Underground at that point.

Andelusion · 15 Dec 2017 at 09:13

The pat down got huge lols from me

Ford is amazing!

MOOGLEYS · 15 Dec 2017 at 09:58

I keep getting. “We are unable to play your video at this time. Please try later”

Crappy Amazon......

something daft already!! · 15 Dec 2017 at 10:07

I didn't enjoy this week's episode as much as last week. I found the celebrity bit too long and boring and kept skipping it. It was an OK episode with loads of product placements.

Combat Fighter · 15 Dec 2017 at 10:41

Enjoyed this weeks episode more than last weeks, felt just like the old TG (which is a good thing!).

Nasher · 15 Dec 2017 at 11:41

That merc with rear wheel steering...

I thought they didn't do that any more because years down the road, when the hardware gets old, it goes wrong and randomly put you in a ditch? lol

Housey · 15 Dec 2017 at 11:46

I don't know if it's me simply tired of the 3 of them, but I am not getting into this new series at all based on 2 so far. WHY they feel they need celebrity (I use that loosely) is beyond me and the talking bit is a bit crap too I find. They need more content, different content in my view. Staid is the word I would use.