The Huw Edwards situation

[SpellowHouse]

Country falling to pieces,government failing at everything they do, inflation through the roof, recession, job losses and house repossessions imminent...
Main news story, alleged perv on the telly.
Basically, look over there, squirrel!
Got to love the Great British public.

I don't understand the obsessive need to know who it is. Besides, scandal it may be, illegal it may not be. There are far worse actual crimes going on all the time in the country.

When I was 17, if I did anything weird, my parents would blame me and throw me out on to the street to be the little tart I "very obviously" was. When the older guy has money, the parents are absolutely outraged that their poor Johnny has been mentally scarred until next Tuesday, and need a ton of money to buy a spa, and a gigantic house to put it in, to help them recover.

 

[Felon]

Apply some common sense sir, so far we have all the evidence of no wrong doing, but all the evidence of news outlets once again running rough shod with the truth and ruining someone's career and others coming out where also no wrong doing other than some abusive messages after threatening to leak his name online.

To be honest, if he’s been going around paying people for sexy pictures - even if he hasn’t broken the law, such an act could bring his employer into disrepute, and he could totally lose his job for it.

Especially if his job is a presenter, what if he presents children’s programs or something? His position wouldn’t be very tenable.

 

[Hotwired]

I don't understand the obsessive need to know who it is. Besides, scandal it may be, illegal it may not be. There are far worse actual crimes going on all the time in the country.

When I was 17, if I did anything weird, my parents would blame me and throw me out on to the street to be the little tart I "very obviously" was. When the older guy has money, the parents are absolutely outraged that their poor Johnny has been mentally scarred until next Tuesday, and need a ton of money to buy a spa, and a gigantic house to put it in, to help them recover.

The original story being kneecapped by the supposed victim getting a lawyer to tell his parents and The Sun to go **** themselves isn't good enough because the presenter is being used as a proxy for hatred of vaguely associated things.

To be honest, if he’s been going around paying people for sexy pictures - even if he hasn’t broken the law, such an act could bring his employer into disrepute, and he could totally lose his job for it.

Especially if his job is a presenter, what if he presents children’s programs or something? His position wouldn’t be very tenable.

No he couldn't. This is none of his doing and no one is saying they sold him underage pictures so it's consenting adults all round.

This is a venture of The Sun to bring his private life into the public domain, with such low evidence that they don't dare name him. The hypocrisy that they just put out an article saying it is totally in the public interest while simultaneously not having the balls to name him says it all.

They know its a gross breach of privacy if the supposed victim refuses to go along with it and they knew it before they even published. They're offering hard cash for anyone to come save them from this libellous hell with a real accusation.

 

[Jokester]

Yep, they are really scraping the barrel with the latest stuff.

 

[Richie]

Let's just hope that this presenter, who hasn't been proven to do anything wrong yet, doesn't kill themselves given the unbelievably intense and incessant scrutiny they are receiving on this.

But then people will only be bothered that the current drama has ended meaning they will have to, once again, focus on their own failings which this drama has distracted them from.... Like alcohol and drugs do TBH.

 

[jpaul]

All seems like a good advert to accelerate the digital media bill and prevent minors joining adult web sites -
whether the youngsters crawling out of the wood work now will all enjoy their 5 minutes of fame, and the future ramifications.

 

[Efour]

All seems like a good advert to accelerate the digital media bill and prevent minors joining adult web sites -
whether the youngsters crawling out of the wood work now will all enjoy their 5 minutes of fame, and the future ramifications.

Yep it's all going to be neatly repackaged for bonafide reason to lock down and control the UKs web. "For the children"

 

[Felon]

No he couldn't. This is none of his doing and no one is saying they sold him underage pictures so it's consenting adults all round.

It doesn't really matter whether or not the person in question is underage or not, whether they're consenting adults or not - or even if the law has been broken.

If the allegations are true, (paying people large sums of money for sexual images) then those actions may have brought his employer into disrepute, he could totally be fired for it.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

It doesn't really matter whether or not the person in question is underage or not, whether they're consenting adults or not - or even if the law has been broken.

If the allegations are true, (paying people large sums of money for sexual images) then those actions may have brought his employer into disrepute, he could totally be fired for it.

Its not a slam dunk though.
Employers do lose that in court.

At all times their actions and reactions need to be reasonable. The moment they step over that line, they are in a dodgy situation potentially.
Unfair dismissal, damaging the reputation etc all come into play for the employer if they could reduce the persons ability to earn by their actions being disproportionate to any "damage" caused to them.

 

[Felon]

Its not a slam dunk though.
Employers do lose that in court.

Of course,

But it's arguable, that if this persons alleged actions (paying money for sexual images) have led to it becoming a story in the print media, which has led to a gigantic hullabaloo with the employer in the centre of it, then it would probably be grounds for bringing into disrepute.

I've seen people get fired for much less.

For the record, I think it's very scummy how the sun are running with this....

But lets be honest, if you're a public figure, or TV presenter and you're throwing large sums of money at much younger people for naked pictures, you're going to get into trouble sooner or later, one way or another..

 

[thenewoc]

It doesn't really matter whether or not the person in question is underage or not, whether they're consenting adults or not - or even if the law has been broken.

If the allegations are true, (paying people large sums of money for sexual images) then those actions may have brought his employer into disrepute, he could totally be fired for it.

Spot on, people here seen to think along their own lefty lines that someone has a right to clock on and keep their job regardless.

The issue is, it's a publicly funded broadcaster and those in the public eye or just plain representing their organisation are expected to not bring that organisation into disrepute. In a Christian country and presumably he's Christian, potentially committing adultery would not be seen as acceptable. If any of the alleged victims were very young regardless of being under 18 or not then there's also the power dynamics, someone on a massive 6 figure salary and a celebrity of sorts is not a balanced situation. If the adultery has occurred then being a good liar for the past few years is not compatible with needing to demonstrate personal integrity to deliver the news. Add to that the potential law breaking of lock down rules would be another example of being untrustworthy.

 

[n111ck]

You have to laugh at The Guardian getting on its high horse about how The Sun has reported this whilst also ensuring they print all the juicy allegations themselves.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Of course,

But it's arguable, that if this persons alleged actions (paying money for sexual images) have led to it becoming a story in the print media, which has led to a gigantic hullabaloo with the employer in the centre of it, then it would probably be grounds for bringing into disrepute.

I've seen people get fired for much less.

For the record, I think it's very scummy how the sun are running with this....

But lets be honest, if you're a public figure, or TV presenter and you're throwing large sums of money at much younger people for naked pictures, you're going to get into trouble sooner or later, one way or another..

Not really no.

Legally if hes done nothing wrong and then it comes down to his contract. Bringing into disrepute isn't just a headline.
Any smart lawyer would probably quote this thread as well "its basically impossible to lower the repute of the BBC, look at all these members of the public who have already decided the BBC have zero."
We all have an entitlement to privacy that is just as important as a companies image.

The court of public opinion is far less forgiving. See this thread.

Many people don't go to court over things they should. The main difference with people like this is that they have the money to do so.

I agree that they need a higher standard I have said this in this thread, but thats not how the law sees it.

Its a bit of a pickle. I see people saying stuff like brought the company into disrepute and now going on about COVID. I mean FFS if we applied even remotely equivalent to the people RUNNING THE COUNTRY they would all be gone.
The same sort of people who backed and in some case still back Boris FFS!

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

Spot on, people here seen to think along their own lefty lines that someone has a right to clock on and keep their job regardless.

The issue is, it's a publicly funded broadcaster and those in the public eye or just plain representing their organisation are expected to not bring that organisation into disrepute. In a Christian country and presumably he's Christian, potentially committing adultery would not be seen as acceptable. If any of the alleged victims were very young regardless of being under 18 or not then there's also the power dynamics, someone on a massive 6 figure salary and a celebrity of sorts is not a balanced situation. If the adultery has occurred then being a good liar for the past few years is not compatible with needing to demonstrate personal integrity to deliver the news. Add to that the potential law breaking of lock down rules would be another example of being untrustworthy.

Bojo did it.

 

[StriderX]

Spot on, people here seen to think along their own lefty lines that someone has a right to clock on and keep their job regardless.

The issue is, it's a publicly funded broadcaster and those in the public eye or just plain representing their organisation are expected to not bring that organisation into disrepute. In a Christian country and presumably he's Christian, potentially committing adultery would not be seen as acceptable. If any of the alleged victims were very young regardless of being under 18 or not then there's also the power dynamics, someone on a massive 6 figure salary and a celebrity of sorts is not a balanced situation. If the adultery has occurred then being a good liar for the past few years is not compatible with needing to demonstrate personal integrity to deliver the news. Add to that the potential law breaking of lock down rules would be another example of being untrustworthy.

Adultery?

Really?

...We literally have a King whose admitted to committing that very same offence and he's literally the leader of this country's church.

 

[Freakbro]

Bojo did it.

We've hit peak faux outrage when a dullard rightie starts talking about Christian family values whilst having been a Bozo supporter

 

[C Kent]

Bojo did it.

indeed and all those scandals are what ultimately lead him to resign and not the **** job he did in running the country.

 

[Felon]

Not really no.

Legally if hes done nothing wrong and then it comes down to his contract. Bringing into disrepute isn't just a headline.

It does depend on what's in his contract, but I'd bet a significant amount of money that it would contain a clause relating to disrepute, because of the nature of his job.

In such a case, I'm not sure it matters exactly what he's done wrong, only whether it can be demonstrated that his actions have caused disrepute and have harmed the company. In this case - if the allegations are true, I think it could potentially be proven that it has caused harm, based on the newspaper reports and media coverage which would be a result of his actions.

We all have an entitlement to privacy that is just as important as a companies image.

Not really true, and is a misconception which people still fall foul of.

If in your private life, you're engaged in seedy or morally dubious things (having affairs, paying for sex, etc) and it ends up in the public domain (because somebody got upset and spilled) and at that point you're employed by the company, then that would potentially be a big problem.

And again, it's always going to be an aggrevating factor if you're a public figure, TV presenter, sports star or celebrity.

 

[Freakbro]

indeed and all those scandals are what ultimately lead him to resign and not the **** job he did in running the country.

Nothing about Bozo's history of adultery stopped him from becoming or losing the PMs job.

The beginning of the end was actually Bozo trying to protect a sexual predator, Pincher.

 

[bigmike20vt]

Another case to look at could be Angus Deayton, his case involved allegations of drug use and prostitutes, in his case he was still popular with viewers AFAIK but his fellow presenters mocked him relentlessly and that seemed to make his position untenable.

I think the thing with Angus Deayton was that his job was ridiculing / ripping apart other people for exactly the same kind of stuff he did, which then made him a complete hypocrite.

he didnt directly get fired for what he did............. the banter against him was humorous..... for a while but at some point it did become tiresome and the show suffered because of it.... whos fault that was is open to debate....... but being a hypocrite is almost more hated upon than anything else..... its why BoJo got such a roasting imo....... most of us probably know people who bent the lockdown rules and you may chunter about them behind their back........... but when it is the people making the rules, or enforcing the rules it makes it 10x worse.