The Huw Edwards situation

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Spot on, people here seen to think along their own lefty lines that someone has a right to clock on and keep their job regardless.

The issue is, it's a publicly funded broadcaster and those in the public eye or just plain representing their organisation are expected to not bring that organisation into disrepute. In a Christian country and presumably he's Christian, potentially committing adultery would not be seen as acceptable. If any of the alleged victims were very young regardless of being under 18 or not then there's also the power dynamics, someone on a massive 6 figure salary and a celebrity of sorts is not a balanced situation. If the adultery has occurred then being a good liar for the past few years is not compatible with needing to demonstrate personal integrity to deliver the news. Add to that the potential law breaking of lock down rules would be another example of being untrustworthy.
The BBC is not publicly funded, in the normal sense of the phrase, in that it is not paid for by the government. The government merely set the licence fee ... and that's not the same at all. It is no more publicly funded than Netflix is.
 
It does depend on what's in his contract, but I'd bet a significant amount of money that it would contain a clause relating to disrepute, because of the nature of his job.

In such a case, I'm not sure it matters exactly what he's done wrong, only whether it can be demonstrated that his actions have caused disrepute and have harmed the company. In this case - if the allegations are true, I think it could potentially be proven that it has caused harm, based on the newspaper reports and media coverage which would be a result of his actions.



Not really true, and is a misconception which people still fall foul of.

If in your private life, you're engaged in seedy or morally dubious things (having affairs, paying for sex, etc) and it ends up in the public domain (because somebody got upset and spilled) and at that point you're employed by the company, then that would potentially be a big problem.

And again, it's always going to be an aggrevating factor if you're a public figure, TV presenter, sports star or celebrity.

The BBC cannot be seen to be taking different actions. They have to be consistent with their actions.
Linekar for example met the criteria you just mentioned.

You have the right to reasonable privacy. You do not have an absolute right.
People who are in the public sphere will have a lower level of reasonable to a normal plain run of the mill person.

If someone got upset and spilled it was already in the public domain. If someone goes about seeking things illegally in order to spill them thats a different thing.

There is a problem when the media get involved.
Eg take a stewardess who maybe runs an only fans. She doesn't give anything away about her job, she doesn't wear the uniform or anything like that.
Then a newspaper for some other reason goes digging and publishes "raunchy stewardess in only fans shocker, this lovely beauty gets all her kit off for easy punters"
It starts to become a problem since the company starts going "on noes", the person has done nothing wrong however.

If I could publish an article saying, company X employs law breakers. "in shock revelation we reveal that company x is stuffed with law breakers, including the CEO, who has 3 points on his driving licence for speeding in a 30"
That would be bringing the company into disrepute. But we accept that and ignore it when in reality it would be an actual crime being recognised as opposed to someone performing a legal action like above.

I would say everyone has something in their past that would bring their employer into disrepute if it was made public and splashed all over the front of papers.

I think the thing with Angus Deayton was that his job was ridiculing / ripping apart other people for exactly the same kind of stuff he did, which then made him a complete hypocrite.

he didnt directly get fired for what he did............. the banter against him was humorous..... for a while but at some point it did become tiresome and the show suffered because of it.... whos fault that was is open to debate....... but being a hypocrite is almost more hated upon than anything else..... its why BoJo got such a roasting imo....... most of us probably know people who bent the lockdown rules and you may chunter about them behind their back........... but when it is the people making the rules, or enforcing the rules it makes it 10x worse.

Exactly.

I can think of one occasion I did. I drove to pickup some floor adhesive from someone I found on ebay as it was in lockdown and I needed some and I literally couldn't get any from normal outlets.
 
Vomit inducing that The Sun can run a badly checked sex offence story, fail, desperately search through the trash for something else to smear him with and have people without the slightest bit of mockery quoting the heinous crime of... sending emotes on instagram and saying nothing suggestive.

This is what the story has degraded to. A LOVEHEART WAS SENT ON INSTAGRAM... from the presenter to someone who recently followed him :rolleyes:

Love hearts and kisses to a 17 year old who is still at school... you're really trying to downplay that as if it's nothing?

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Apply some common sense sir, so far we have all the evidence of no wrong doing

Who is "we" and what is "wrongdoing" here? There is evidence for the latest accusations as the BBC stated they'd seen and verified the texts and if by wrongdoing you mean behaving inappropriately rather than necessarily illegally then yeah... he (or she) is a dirty old (or young) git!

Seems like some people are just trying to dismiss this (even after 4 separate people have come forwards) simply because it's the Sun that broke the story.
 
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The BBC is not publicly funded, in the normal sense of the phrase, in that it is not paid for by the government. The government merely set the licence fee ... and that's not the same at all. It is no more publicly funded than Netflix is.
The vast majority of households pay for a TV licence so I rest my case that it's publicly funded.

Netflix for example since you brought it up is not a public service broadcaster.


The BBC wouldn't be one of those if it wasn't in receipt of large sums of public money.
 
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Its not a slam dunk though.
Employers do lose that in court.

At all times their actions and reactions need to be reasonable. The moment they step over that line, they are in a dodgy situation potentially.
Unfair dismissal, damaging the reputation etc all come into play for the employer if they could reduce the persons ability to earn by their actions being disproportionate to any "damage" caused to them.

If some of these allegations are true then it absolutely is a slam dunk and it's not even close, people can be fired for far less.

Allegedly breaking covid rules to go and meet one of the young people alone would likely be sufficient for the BBC to sack him or her, especially if he or she were in any role that involved conveying info about the pandemic.

I would say everyone has something in their past that would bring their employer into disrepute if it was made public and splashed all over the front of papers.

I think flirting with a school boy over Instagram DMs and allegedly paying another young person for dirty pics + allegedly paying another one to meet up during covid lockdowns is a bit worse than say the time someone stole a traffic cone on the way home from the pub with their mate drunk Brian.

It does depend on what's in his contract, but I'd bet a significant amount of money that it would contain a clause relating to disrepute, because of the nature of his job.
vating factor if you're a public figure, TV presenter, sports star or celebrity.

Almost certainly, I mean that can be in contracts for regular jobs re: social media policies etc.. let alone for TV stars.
 
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Love hearts and kisses to a 17 year old who is still at school... you're really trying to downplay that as if it's nothing?

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Who is "we" and what is "wrongdoing" here? There is evidence for the latest accusations as the BBC stated they'd seen and verified the texts and if by wrongdoing you mean behaving inappropriately rather than necessarily illegally then yeah... he (or she) is a dirty old (or young) git!

Seems like some people are just trying to dismiss this (even after 4 separate people have come forwards) simply because it's the Sun that broke the story.

No worries Karen, you keep your faux outrage .. I'm out
 
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The BBC cannot be seen to be taking different actions. They have to be consistent with their actions.
Linekar for example met the criteria you just mentioned.

You have the right to reasonable privacy. You do not have an absolute right.
People who are in the public sphere will have a lower level of reasonable to a normal plain run of the mill person.

I think the problem is that in many cases, it's down to the discretion of the employer, if they feel their reputation has been damaged or their reputation has been brought into disrepute, in todays day and age - you could be in big trouble.

To be fair, with Gary Lineker - he merely commented on government policy - I think the BBC would struggle to sustain an argument that they'd suffered reputation damage or loss, because a TV presenter commented on government policy, even when he contractually wasn't supposed to - and so they back-tracked.

Sending money to people in exchange for sexual images is an order of magnitude more serious though. After all we've been through with Saville, Glitter - so on - getting involved with this sort of thing as a TV presenter or public figure, is going to cause you big problems.

Eg take a stewardess who maybe runs an only fans. She doesn't give anything away about her job, she doesn't wear the uniform or anything like that.
Then a newspaper for some other reason goes digging and publishes "raunchy stewardess in only fans shocker, this lovely beauty gets all her kit off for easy punters"
It starts to become a problem since the company starts going "on noes", the person has done nothing wrong however.

I think theres a lot of nuance in this if I'm honest.

A stewardess who ran an onlyfans, wouldn't really involve any "moral turpitude", in the sense that most reasonable people wouldn't really see anything wrong with it. For that reason I doubt her employer would really suffer any reputational damage - in fact it might even go the other way, who knows :p.

In the case of a TV presenter sending tens of thousands of pounds for secret sexy pics of somebody much older.... It's a bit... "sordid" many people probably would feel uncomfortable with an organisation like the BBC employing public figures or presenters who get involved with that sort of thing, even more so if the person presented childrens TV programs or something.
 
Oh please. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a lefty you know. :rolleyes:
Most are because they miss the bigger picture whilst relating things to themselves and their perceived right to their job. Brain washed by unionised work and their perceived rights above the terms of the employment contract they're employed under.
 
So they are at sixth form college then?

No, they're at school... they literally say in the article they're at school. Are you unaware that some schools teach A-levels or something? Not everyone goes to a separate 6th form college.

I told him I was in my final year at school and told him I had the opportunity to take part in a BBC school scheme where you get to make a news programme and he told me to go for it."


You really are struggling to find something to nitpick at here Vincent... is this all because the Sun reported the story?
 
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