The Indoor Riding/ Zwift/ TrainerRoad etc. Thread

@Roady happy to continue with current way. People tell us on here once they've added us as a friend then we can add them to the group.

Paul @morris_kicks for me if you want to be added.
For anyone unable to find Paul I should be easy to find. Just search for 'Haydn Jones' and you'll find me (there's only 3 of us on Zwift), look for the one with high mileage and usually with some combination of Roady, 3R and team names in there too (Nirvana, Wasp, Meatloaf). I might be the only one with a profile picture too... This is me.

Although not sure how I can easily add people to the Club, as it doesn't give a list of friends. Hmm. The 'Invite Zwifters' button from the Club just gives the usual rider search, so you could post up your Zwift names in here and we'll invite you if we can identify you from that? Maybe putting 'OCUK' in the name could be an easy way - you don't need to keep it once you're in.

Some rotten timing with all those failures!

A long shot, but have you tried reversing polarity of the CR2032 in the 4iiii for a while? I've only done it once myself and can't recall how long, think I found info about it online at the time, don't think it was long (10secs???).

4iiii numbers can go erratic when the battery is about to die, I did an outdoor ride in Nov '19 which suggested I should get a call up from Sir Dave about joining Sky! :cry:
Yeah have tried that, actually ended up with a result from 4iiii (after I reached out on Twitter) with a bunch of troubleshooting tips. Have been through them and messaged back so kinda hopeful they can recommend next steps, or if it's serviceable... Might even get tempted if they offer a great price off a new one?! :D

Getting my Kickr 2018 replaced under warranty for the second time. It's developed a vibration that I mostly feel but also hear as a background noise. Wasn't sure if it's really an issue but I've only got a month left on my warranty.

To be fair to them their customer service has been spot on both times.
Great to hear! Wahoo support meant to be one of the best in the business - also what Garmin are aspiring to be like...

Any idea why riders I'm riding with don't appear on the list of riders nearby?

Jumped on the turbo after 3 hours sleep and missing a virtual reliability and got spat from the front group pretty fast. Found a decent group went hard AF up the climb on the 3rd lap then my mate logged off, the group went hard up it again the 4th lap and 4 of us got away but only one of the other riders was on the list.

Here is what I could see for example.


anonymous pictures website

O'Grady is the only one I could see, the 20s gap back to the group we split from. I got dusted by them on the last climb and I couldn't see if they were kicking or not. :o

Edit: Looks like they are C riders. Weird that I can't see them.
As it's a race, although you can 'see' them and ride with them on course (draft etc), they're not in your rider list as started from a different pen. In that race it looks like the A riders are visible which is great (so lower cats' can see higher ones).

Finally got an undisputed win on my second home the Downtown Dolphin. Few weeks back was a photo finish but I smoked the other chap that was getting close by a clear bike length so I'm claiming it this time.

Did zero the first lap then took the KOM second lap and a dig most laps after that but can't make any small gap stick even with 4 or 5 of us with 3 seconds :confused:

Looks like my Wiggle HR monitor doesn't like it's new battery though....

https://www.strava.com/activities/6707358411
I wanted to say great win, but you got DQ UPG - as you should be racing in A with your numbers in that race. So sorry, that doesn't count as a win! ;)

https://zwiftpower.com/events.php?zid=2786093

But great riding especially against Alan H. I know him quite well and he's a fantastic rider! Been a few years since raced the same things as him, but he was always a powerhouse and very strong.

Are you upset with your test category produced if you try to enter a test event such as Mon 21st @ 1800? https://zwiftpower.com/events.php?zid=2776730
Yes. I'm upset as it's put me in B! I'm an 'almost-B' C on Zwiftpower, carefully treading the fine line between B+C, commonly known as sandbagging :cry:;):rolleyes:

It probably won't be across all events yet, they'll test it and run their own 'series' of events through it first. Then likely have it as an option race organisers can turn on, before they rolling it into ZRL and such.

I’ve never seen the ghost, steam roller or anvil power ups, are these disabled by default?
Event/course specific. Burrito too!

Managed a sub 9 hour vEveresting solo on zwift, although mistakes were made, namely the gearing I used at alpe pinch points. Not really sure what it cost me time wise in the long run. Including the downhills with time off the bike and then spinning, averaged 241w at 71.9kg for the duration. As always, you are pleased but want more.

If anyone is thinking of trying it who hasn't, I can recommend and offer up some tips even if it has become a meme at this point with gearing and trainer difficulty at silly levels.
Absolutely mega, well done for such an accomplishment! Hate to say it - but think I'd rather do it outside! Or maybe as part of an organised Zwift ride maybe. Gotta have some company!

The 3R Endurance Academy I think ends this weekend, number of riders who did 12h rides last month now doing their 24h. I'll be on for a few hours to help/support/encourage as it's always good fun! I know Tim Burton (Zwiftinsider & 3R) was talking about an everesting academy and it's been done before. No idea if upcoming though, that would be one worth doing.

So basically I just have to accept tomorrow I'm going to feel some pain whether I want to or not!
Yes! Certainly when first starting it is hard work... You don't get many 'free' watts on a turbo trainer. No real downhills or respite! Near constant resistance... But that is also why they're fantastic training tools! :D
 
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Covid has really done a number on me, just done 45 mins nice and easy worked up to 140watts but my heart started going too high so ended up at 100W and still sat at 145bpm.
Think I'll have to just keep repeating these easy efforts until my HR doesn't go silly high.
 
The ridiculously good deal on a 2018 Wahoo kickr fell through because the seller had managed to list in completely the wrong place. Same name as a place about 20 minutes from me but the actual address was in Manchester.

Just bit the bullet and went for a wahoo kickr 2021 brand new to stop the wasted hours scouring facebook and ebay.

Should arrive a bit later today. Excited to be able to do some exercise when the weather is crap or I don't have time to get outside.
 
Right, I have a few questions for you chaps if you wouldn't mind helping me.

Got a 2021 Kickr and set it up earlier. I want to use it for general fitness and MTB fitness and I am quite unfit at the moment. In good physical shape but unfit cardio wise.

I tried the beginner FTP training plan and the first ride was a joke. I didn't break into a sweat at any point and it was asking me to hold around 95w power at most. When it asked me to keep the cadence at a certain level and stand up I couldn't because there was literally no resistance. I was having to hold myself in place to try to be able to pedal.

Based on this, I would assume I should be doing the intermediate programs. Any suggestions.

The other thing that was a bit off was the cadence. It worked fine most of the time but would occasionally be completely wrong for between 3 and 30s at times. Any ideas?
 
Right, I have a few questions for you chaps if you wouldn't mind helping me.

Got a 2021 Kickr and set it up earlier. I want to use it for general fitness and MTB fitness and I am quite unfit at the moment. In good physical shape but unfit cardio wise.

I tried the beginner FTP training plan and the first ride was a joke. I didn't break into a sweat at any point and it was asking me to hold around 95w power at most. When it asked me to keep the cadence at a certain level and stand up I couldn't because there was literally no resistance. I was having to hold myself in place to try to be able to pedal.

Based on this, I would assume I should be doing the intermediate programs. Any suggestions.

The other thing that was a bit off was the cadence. It worked fine most of the time but would occasionally be completely wrong for between 3 and 30s at times. Any ideas?

Have you completed an FTP test? The programs are designed to be different intensities over the weeks, but the individual difficult of the programs are all based off FTP (the power you can hold for 1 hour). So your program could be:

5 minute warmup
5 min at 90% FTP
15 min at 70% FTP
1 min at 120% FTP
15 min at 70% FTP
5 min cool-down

If your FTP is set at 120W this workout will be very easy compared to if it was set to 240W.

The beginner and intermediate programs are more about giving recovery time between rides as a beginner would struggle to recover if they jumped in to 5 high intensity rides in a week with low fitness. They don’t change the difficult of the individual rides themselves.

*edit - generally I find that I need to ramp up cadence and power before a section gets more difficult, but equally if I drop from a sprint to low power I need to drop the power a second early or I end up with the wheel spinning and no resistance. (I’ve got a kickr snap so might be a wheel-on thing only)
 
Do a ramp test to get a ballpark FTP, or simply do a 20min+ ride, which Zwift will take 95% of that best 20mins power to give you a "random" starter FTP value.

Then look at workouts and/or workplans.
 
Thanks for the advice guys. I will do that tomorrow so it can make some better plans for me.
 
Reviews make it sound fairly useless with a confused target market.
I haven't read any reviews, suppose in theory it would be great to just whip the bike on and off without removing the wheel, but is the only way to get power outputs via those speedplay pedals at a $1,000 upgrade?
 
Do a ramp test to get a ballpark FTP, or simply do a 20min+ ride, which Zwift will take 95% of that best 20mins power to give you a "random" starter FTP value.

Then look at workouts and/or workplans.

Just did a central park ride and my FTP was updated from 134 to 194 after that. That seems a bit better.
 
Just did a central park ride and my FTP was updated from 134 to 194 after that. That seems a bit better.

If this is your first power meter, it wouldn't be unusual to rapidly raise your FTP estimate over the next few months, as you start to learn your limits.

If you go back to that workout from the other day, you should find it more challenging than it was... Hopefully!
 
A well known exploit in Zwift, if you know the right circles has been put into the public in the last day or two...

Apparently you can change your weight in the Companion app on the fly in races and it immediately takes effect! :eek:

Unbelievable!
 
A well known exploit in Zwift, if you know the right circles has been put into the public in the last day or two...

Apparently you can change your weight in the Companion app on the fly in races and it immediately takes effect! :eek:

Unbelievable!

Unbelievable that people would cheat in a virtual race. Pretty sure that the people who do it will be known as well with all the data that Zwift are likely to store.
 
A well known exploit in Zwift, if you know the right circles has been put into the public in the last day or two...
Well that explains a few things.
Unsurprisingly, a thread referring to it on the Zwift forums has been deleted and it seems that the exploit has been known by Zwift for some time.
 
As a programmer I can't imagine that its that tricky to fix but I also know that some systems are architected weirdly and perhaps this has been in the works for a while and is simply causing issues elsewhere.
 
Zwift busy working on the next Easter egg than fixing problems…

Sorry I’m just mad at the crap drafting tonight! A negative race I tried to spice up went nowhere. Racing one of the London flat courses almost every week is the same result, big bunch soft pedalling do an effort up the minor slope and then do nothing for the rest of the lap.

If a bunch is riding 3w/kg max and you attack then ride solid at 5, you should pull away… I got 5 seconds maximum after over 3 minutes of hammering away: it just wouldn’t happen.

Yes there is a very slight bunch draft and overlap and draft again but at a relatively low speed/power it shouldn’t be that much, the bunch doesn’t stick and fly down the road while hardly pedalling.

Run the bike calcs, 80kg rider 3.5 minutes at 400w is approx distance of 2.38km doing 44kmh. At 250w it’s 2km at 37kmh. Should be a gap of 30+ seconds. Hell throw in some “draft effect”, call it 20 seconds, it’s a lot more realistic than 5!

http://bikecalculator.com/
 
Agreed with that really but I'm not sure how they can program the game to work better as I have no idea about game engines.

When you ride outside in bunches you get a feel for how much effort rewards a gap and 4 bodies doing say 300w get a gap in a bunch riding at 250w as half the bunch will be sitting on as they are ******, the guys doing the 250w can't do 300w as if they did they'd be with the guys doing 300w really.
 
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