The Indoor Riding/ Zwift/ TrainerRoad etc. Thread

After buying a set of Zwift Play controllers for £50 a few weeks back in their sale and wondering how I would pair them up, despite still having my Marasa hybrid on my H3 turbo, yesterday I discovered that my turbo plus hrm could pair as normal over ANT+ via the dongle plugged into my keyboard and then click the "pair through phone" to pair the Plays over Bluetooth on the Companion app... I had no idea you could pair through two devices at the same time! :eek: :cry:
 
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Sorry to hear this mate, but onwards and upwards! Use Zwift as a distraction, but also something to focus on. Something you can control.

The Sunday morning 3R Endurance ride (normally 100km B+C pens at different W/kg) is running an E pen through winter now where they're going to focus on some of the longer and hillier routes for training and badges. They did Four Horsemen last weekend, this one coming is Surrey Hills.
Last sunday they did PRL-half as lead was short on time. Some of them did 2 laps (that's 8 x Box Hill!) but lots of tired legs around as many of 3R celebrated Cat Allens 300,000km female distance Zwift world record ride the day before with a long ride...!

PRL full has been delayed a week, so current scheduled day is Jan 26th - celebrating leaders 5 year anniversary as lead.

I just haven’t been equipped to deal with this year. It’s going to be a slow recovery.

I’m seriously considering entering RAAM as a remedy though.
Wow that would be some accomplishment, serious dedication to get there though mate. Doing audax's already? Probably the best way of getting there, some massive ones around without too much commitment.


Anyone got real life comparisons of the various apps? I'm currently hovering between Rouvy and MyWhoosh. Mywhoosh is probably ideal as it's free. Just need to check my old laptop is capable of running it.

My main goals for indoor riding is to just get a mix of long endurance rides (2-3hrs) in early/late where it's dark outside at the moment, and then maybe a proper workout once a week. No aims for social riding or races etc.

Indievelo is also an option since it's still free till March, and then given it's tied into Training peaks it feels it might integrate well into a mix of indoor/outdoor riding from a data standpoint. Trainer Road also seems ideal, in that it takes an AI approach and suggests workouts based on recent activities a little like the Garmin suggested workout. That feels ideal and i'm unsure how much i would really care about the fake outdoor cycling design of the main apps.

The other option is just using the bike on it's own platform and sticking Netflix on. In the basis that the long rides would be less boring and the workouts would be short enough i don't need distraction.
TPV is ok (I've only used that, RGT and Zwift), probably better suited to you than MyWhoosh as it should work on your older laptop. MW is more demanding than Zwift, running it on older/lower hardware is possible (there's even a lower spec version of the app for it) but it is very unstable. Also it's geared more towards racing than socials or free riding. But you might find the training stuff good in there. Trainer Road probably the best for just training plans/sessions if you really don't care to look at anything other then Netflix and an effort graph.

Rouvy worth trying. Graphics look good and very much designed to solo ride, but the training plan side is an unknown. Most of them you can do a 1 month sub and then just cancel it, so maybe do 1-2 months on each with whatever intor/new/starter vouchers you can find, no real commitment.

Zwift gave 3R a bunch of free '1 month' rewards for all the group rides we do. Wasn't enough for all the leaders and sweepers, but my name went into the hat for all the race team work I do, but didn't make the lottery! Lots of others did, awesome for Zwift to acknowledge the effort & commitment as we've not had something other years (apart from some preference on timings, our own banners and road paintings in our own events etc). :cool:

For me I always go back to Zwift. The amount I use it, it's worth the sub. None of the others offer me the same things for less money without massive compromises where I'd feel I'm missing out. But the social aspect, 'busy' race schedule and just populated wherever you go side of Zwift are quite important to me. There's always 'someone there'. Still pretty traumatised from some IV races I did, got absolutely smashed, felt totally unbelievable performances from the bots, zero social, then find out at the end there wasn't a single human there - made it really zero enjoyment for me. At least when I get thrashed on Zwift it's usually by a human, is generally more believable and there will usually have been some social interaction! :rolleyes:

As said, if you know you can pedal for 2 to 3 hours, watching a film, then sure.
Exactly. It takes a certain mindset. I'm like you and need distractions, while also feeling more involved in what I'm doing!

On an unrelated note. Do any of you guys occasionally do AdZ as a training session? Feels like quite a good way to do an hour a bit workout.
I did it a few times early on, treat it as an 'FTP test' as you know it's a solid hour effort. But depending on you as a rider will determine how accurate an hour going uphill works into your training for a valid FTP value... I find it quite different to riding a flat effort for an hour. I used to do a 20 min effort there to set FTP, then ease to 95% and complete the climb. But great training to just ride the Alpe and work towards a sub 60-min climb... Then aim for sub 50.

I hurt myself there too many times, so I've done it on average less than once a year since I started on Zwift (ok so the Alpe wasn't there the first few years, then the last few years I've only raced up there!)

My power output on the play controllers would be limited to if i was in the big ring or not and there were no ratio options so i would cap out my power around 900-1k watts even though before using v-shifting i had hit over that. Now with the ride, and the ability to pick proper ratios im able to peak my sprints over 1300.
Nice peak! The 1000W barrier is quite a good one to be able to repeat getting through... Then doing it 'on-demand'... Then doing it during a race and still not blowing up... Then doing it at the end of a hard race - that is the real one.

I'm still barely at the second - can sometimes 'on a good day' hit over 1000W and extremely rarely at the end of a flat race if I've played my cards right. I can do good sustained below it 700-800W for 30s for long sprints and will see 900W peaks fairly regularly, even at the end of hard races. But not the magic 1k very often! Then again I'm 76kg and although punchy my repeated efforts, quick recovery from them and sustained surges are my strength rather than saving everything for that end '1 shot' effort.

I've ordered one from Amazon, but currently getting nowhere with Decathlon which is pretty disappointing. Making me want to just return it
You should have threatened that if they didn't get you one shipped! ridiculous to have hassle over something like that. Still think you should've got a real Smart Bike anyway ;)

Seems the reason my Kickr bike wasn't tilting was probably because I have trainer difficulty set to 50% so it was essentially halving every gradient. Set it to 100% and thats all working OK now. Only issue is that now I need to faff with the gears on it because I think doing AdZ with my current gearing will be horrible. Maybe I just need to get stronger :(
ADZ is steep enough and long enough. You need the gears to be able to sit and spin it. Properly climb it. The more you're using Zwift for 'real' training

On the topic of Zwift racing, I managed a 3rd place on a race last Monday which was pleasing. I even managed a bit of a sprint to beat somebody to the line. Trouble is that result moved me back up into the 320+ ZRS banding, so it's back to getting my arse kicked again.
Great result! A podium is always great to see on the racing record! Well done!

Really enjoy seeing mine, more than I really thought (at least recently as they're so few and far between). Although not got one technically in a 'B cat' race, the FRR event I was technically against B racers due to the split category. So that's kinda the aim now I guess. Also Ladder races shouldn't really count! ;)

Yeah my racing score is 463 so square in the middle of the 350-520 (B) category and not really standing a chance since they changed things, still better than being 521 score on the old calc when the category began at 520 lol

Its great isn't it. I have the kickr headwind and the vacmaster is miles better. More powerful and sounds better too. Admittedly the headwind was second hand so perhaps its not in the best nick but I would happily get another vacmaster and I can't say the same about the headwind.
I've got a Headwind and love it. Can't imagine not riding with it now in the summers! Winter I could probably manage without it, I've 2 other fans I use too. Headwind is quite noisy now and shifting less air, the fact it's in a dusty/grubby/dirty garage probably just needs a clean. A job for the xmas break is see about stripping it and cleaning it out to improve it!
 
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Its great isn't it. I have the kickr headwind and the vacmaster is miles better. More powerful and sounds better too. Admittedly the headwind was second hand so perhaps its not in the best nick but I would happily get another vacmaster and I can't say the same about the headwind.
Yeah, I was actually going to get a headwind. Liked the idea of setting it against my HR but can live without that. This thing was a third of the price. Only downside was it came with a UK plug on it.
 
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So I need to do some exercise... context previously ran a bit, but had a bit of the big C and treatment has left me with colitis and at times can't be too far away from the comforts of home. Enough said.

I did a fair bit of road cycling and racing in my youth before finding running, which I will hopefully return to.

So I'm thinking stationary bike circa £1k, can I go wrong with the Zwift Ride/Kick Core?
 
So I need to do some exercise... context previously ran a bit, but had a bit of the big C and treatment has left me with colitis and at times can't be too far away from the comforts of home. Enough said.

I did a fair bit of road cycling and racing in my youth before finding running, which I will hopefully return to.

So I'm thinking stationary bike circa £1k, can I go wrong with the Zwift Ride/Kick Core?

Sorry to hear of your fight with the big C, though I think you're understating things by saying you used to run "a bit".

Another option would be the Zwift Ride with the JetBlack Victory trainer as that has been getting some rave reviews but UK availability might be the issue if you want it ASAP.

 
Thanks for that. My issues have taught me not to wait around too long for things haha - but being positive currently no detectable signs of anything nasty. So life very much goes on.

I'm not knowledgeable enough to immediately spot what the Jetblack offers over the Kickr core, but do know dcrainmaker knows his stuff. But current availability of the JetBlack in the Uk is suggesting Feb, which is probably a little far off. I'll be even more sloth like by then!
 
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First proper ride on my Decathlon bike last night. Feels nicer to use that my old Kickr/bike. A hell of a lot quieter. My only main annoyance is the gearing. It just has 32 Virtual Gears but they don't correspond to real life gearing. Would've been nice to have something like on the Kickr Bike where you could match to my actual bike.

Have also managed to get it into the covered Naya at the front of the house as it doesn't look too bad. This means no issues of wifi reliability as it's original planned location, and then with it being a single unit and on wheels, i could wheel it to the front room if i ever wanted to use it watching TV which is really handy. Was eyeing up mounting a spare tv in the naya, but feel bad drilling a pile of holes into a pebbledash external wall of a rented house!

One thing i did forget is just how bloody hot it is riding inside! That room turns into a sauna in summer too as it's glass curtains on 2 sides.
 
Be careful everyone - guy I've ridden with a bunch of times over the years (3R teammate who I'd call a friend from Cardiff). After ZRL on tuesday (riding with a different team than mine) ended up in A+E with a heart attack after feeling unwell afterwards. Thankfully made the right call to get himself there quickly. They said a blocked artery and he's recovering well!

Anyone else here in ZRL?

My team did well taking 2nd on the night to finish 3rd overall in our B2 league, I managed to bag myself a 9th I'm really happy with. A good course for me as hard & attrittional while also a punchy uphill finish. Although I never feel like I ride Titans the best, I was up to 5th/6th just nothing left to sprint better to the line so lost some places.

Last sunday they did PRL-half as lead was short on time. Some of them did 2 laps (that's 8 x Box Hill!) but lots of tired legs around as many of 3R celebrated Cat Allens 300,000km female distance Zwift world record ride the day before with a long ride...!

PRL full has been delayed a week, so current scheduled day is Jan 26th - celebrating leaders 5 year anniversary as lead.
Group this week are doing Uber Pretzel - https://zwiftpower.com/events.php?zid=4684312 (pen E)

Yeah, I was actually going to get a headwind. Liked the idea of setting it against my HR but can live without that. This thing was a third of the price. Only downside was it came with a UK plug on it.
I tried that a couple of times but really didn't find it useful when racing... It would ramp too late, then ease too quickly. Nice idea for HR based longer interval type training or group riding. I actually control mine (and other things) with a bamboo cane... Proper ghetto. But works for me, it's not the thing you really change that much while you ride.

My Headwind actually came with an EU plug, but I did get it from Canyon Germany for £152 during Covid pricing 2.5 years ago...! Still a good price now. Although the Vacmaster is showing quite a lot cheaper - £70/80 on Amazon. Amazing price! I don't recall it being that massive a difference when I got my Headwind - else I wouldn't have got it!

So I'm thinking stationary bike circa £1k, can I go wrong with the Zwift Ride/Kick Core?
The guys here pretty much made your decision - it was a good one. Really someone without a setup and willing to invest in one you can't go wrong with it. Enjoy!

Only thing I would have added is seeing about a reconditioned Core from Wahoo to save some money. The support they have really a non-issue to buy refirb. Also some deals around xmas - over the xmas/NY period of 21/22 I picked up my KICKR v5 for £725 (just before the v6 came out admittedly) £50 cheaper than from Wahoo from Zwift themselves, while also getting a £100 cashback on it (think that was a Twitter/Insta deal voucher)

Yeah, worth checking out the coupon sites too as there's usually Zwift 10% discount codes which can be redeemed against the Ride too
This. Also look for 'free zwift' time/subs. Considering it's a £189 for an annual pass these days (worth doing, but pay monthly for a few months first to make sure you get on with it).
 
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The guys here pretty much made your decision - it was a good one. Really someone without a setup and willing to invest in one you can't go wrong with it. Enjoy!

Only thing I would have added is seeing about a reconditioned Core from Wahoo to save some money. The support they have really a non-issue to buy refirb. Also some deals around xmas - over the xmas/NY period of 21/22 I picked up my KICKR v5 for £725 (just before the v6 came out admittedly) £50 cheaper than from Wahoo from Zwift themselves, while also getting a £100 cashback on it (think that was a Twitter/Insta deal voucher)


This. Also look for 'free zwift' time/subs. Considering it's a £189 for an annual pass these days (worth doing, but pay monthly for a few months first to make sure you get on with it).
Thanks, though past the point of considering anything else :-D ...
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Certainly can't fault speed of delivery!
 
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@firstborn or anyone else with the Zwift Ride

Can you use Wahoo Systm to just use it as a general trainer and do the Zwift Play buttons work to adjust resistance in general ERG mode? My main criteria is that i can just use it as an indoor bike for workouts without being restricted to Zwift. I know i couldn't use Zwift alternatives which bothers me less.

I'm half debating returning the Decathlon bike and picking the Zwift ride up. I'm considering resale value which i think would be higher and also there's no drop bar position on the Decathlon bike. The benefit is it's nice and quiet, but there's a slightly odd feel to it at times which feels less realistic vs my old Kickr. It could be why this was a second hand bike and maybe a new version would be fine, but it's impossible to know.

EDIT - Dammit. Seems Elite have released a competitor to the Zwift Ride called the Square. This has quite a few improvements over the ride (namely belt driven) and complete openness to all platforms. Albeit at a higher price, but still cheaper than a Kickr Bike.
 
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@firstborn or anyone else with the Zwift Ride

Can you use Wahoo Systm to just use it as a general trainer and do the Zwift Play buttons work to adjust resistance in general ERG mode? My main criteria is that i can just use it as an indoor bike for workouts without being restricted to Zwift. I know i couldn't use Zwift alternatives which bothers me less.

I'm half debating returning the Decathlon bike and picking the Zwift ride up. I'm considering resale value which i think would be higher and also there's no drop bar position on the Decathlon bike. The benefit is it's nice and quiet, but there's a slightly odd feel to it at times which feels less realistic vs my old Kickr. It could be why this was a second hand bike and maybe a new version would be fine, but it's impossible to know.

EDIT - Dammit. Seems Elite have released a competitor to the Zwift Ride called the Square. This has quite a few improvements over the ride (namely belt driven) and complete openness to all platforms. Albeit at a higher price, but still cheaper than a Kickr Bike.
No point asking me, it's still in the box :-D
 
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