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The Intel Arc owners thread

How much DNA do these share with the discrete graphics on Lunar Lake CPU's? I found the Xe2-LPG to be surprisingly competent on my Asus Zenbook S14.
 
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hornetstinger said:
ARC doesn't seem that great, approx 10% faster than that AMD?
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Honestly it's gearing up to be a fantastic entry card imo, listed at £250 (Intel Arc B580) a good price, I personally quite like the look of it as well.

I think with Nvidia playing silly buggers this will be priced very well going into the next generation (pending confirmed performance)

If anything Intels biggest battle will be the same battle AMD has vs Nvidia, in that people will buy Nvidia even if it's slower than AMDs closest priced cards because it's Nvidia. Intel will struggle and even if faster than AMD/Nvidia people will still not buy Intel.

I do think overall this could end up being a very competitive entry level card in a market where Nvidia and AMD have given up on entry level prices
 
kieran_read said:
If anything Intels biggest battle will be the same battle AMD has vs Nvidia, in that people will buy Nvidia even if it's slower than AMDs closest priced cards because it's Nvidia.
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No the biggest battle will be that at only 10% faster than a 4060 (from Intel's own slides), and costing the same £250 as a 4060, then the safe option is always going to be Nvidia.

I'm still hopeful that performance will improve with newer drivers, but to be a slam dunk it needed to be £200 at the current performance level, or at the current price it needed to be offering around 30% better performance than a 4060 (i.e. would end up faster than a 4060Ti).

Ultimately the Risk vs Reward balance at the minute isn't where it needs to be for the relative immaturity of the cards.
 
Armageus said:
No the biggest battle will be that at only 10% faster than a 4060 (from Intel's own slides), and costing the same £250 as a 4060, then the safe option is always going to be Nvidia.

I'm still hopeful that performance will improve with newer drivers, but to be a slam dunk it needed to be £200 at the current performance level, or at the current price it needed to be offering around 30% better performance than a 4060 (i.e. would end up faster than a 4060Ti).

Ultimately the Risk vs Reward balance at the minute isn't where it needs to be for the relative immaturity of the cards.
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Not sure where you got 10% from according to Intel's slides (which yes is a grain of salt until reviews are out) It's 32% faster than a 4060 in Rasta and 25% in RT (though RT is a pointless metric in this tier of GPUS)

Like I said pending reviews it's looking pretty competitive and if people chose the 4060 for the same price but with worse performance that just supports the point I just made.

This all depends on how long the 4060 stays in stock and the price Nvidia releases the 5060 at so it's possible Nvidia crap all over it, but I think it's unlikely and Nvidia will go for £399 for the 5060.
 
kieran_read said:
Not sure where you got 10% from according to Intel's slides (which yes is a grain of salt until reviews are out) It's 32% faster than a 4060 in Rasta and 25% in RT (though RT is a pointless metric in this tier of GPUS)
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Nope... try again, your 32% Raster and 25% raytracing figures are from the performance per dollar slide. (Although equally they are wrong for the UK market where a 4060 is £250 the same as a B580)

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Average of 10% faster than 4060

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kieran_read said:
Like I said pending reviews it's looking pretty competitive and if people chose the 4060 for the same price but with worse performance that just supports the point I just made.
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10% faster and has 12GB Ram, but potentially worse drivers. As I said earlier - the safe option is still a 4060.




All the slides are here:
www.guru3d.com

Intel Announcement Preview: Intel ARC B580 and B570 (BMG-G21 SoC)

Intel has announced the technical specifications for its forthcoming Arc B580 12GB GPU priced 249 USD as well as the ARC B570 10GB at 219 USD, a downgraded version that will be released later in January. The Arc B580 will feature 20 Xe2 cores and 12GB of GDDR6 memory, operating on a 192-bit...
www.guru3d.com www.guru3d.com
 
kieran_read said:
in that people will buy Nvidia even if it's slower than AMDs closest priced cards because it's Nvidia.
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Agreed. Reputation and brand awareness are powerful things.

Armageus said:
No the biggest battle will be that at only 10% faster than a 4060 (from Intel's own slides), and costing the same £250 as a 4060, then the safe option is always going to be Nvidia.
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Agreed again. The B580 needs to be £50 cheaper.

Armageus said:
(Although equally they are wrong for the UK market where a 4060 is £250 the same as a B580)
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Yes. The B580 needs to be a £199 card.
 
Armageus said:
Nope... try again, your 32% Raster and 25% raytracing figures are from the performance per dollar slide. (Although equally they are wrong for the UK market where a 4060 is £250 the same as a B580)

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Average of 10% faster than 4060

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10% faster and has 12GB Ram, but potentially worse drivers. As I said earlier - the safe option is still a 4060.




All the slides are here:
www.guru3d.com

Intel Announcement Preview: Intel ARC B580 and B570 (BMG-G21 SoC)

Intel has announced the technical specifications for its forthcoming Arc B580 12GB GPU priced 249 USD as well as the ARC B570 10GB at 219 USD, a downgraded version that will be released later in January. The Arc B580 will feature 20 Xe2 cores and 12GB of GDDR6 memory, operating on a 192-bit...
www.guru3d.com www.guru3d.com
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Ah I got caught, ******* marketing slides and didn't read the small print (or in this case the big print)

Fair play, then yes you are 100% correct, as long as the 4060 is in stock this is DOA at that price, no reason to buy at all. I don't know how much different the extra RAM would make at that level, might help a little but i suspect the card will be outdated in general before than.

What will be dependent then is if Nvidia keep selling the 4060 like they did with the 3060 and the price of the to be released 5060 but as long as 4060 is available to buy then yes, bit overpriced for a new entry with untested drivers.

Going by the first generation they have potential and improvements were made, will be interesting if there's another generation after this, as I've not read any whispers of it.
 
Yeah the risk has to be outweighed by price and performance. A bit like AV/Hifi gears I've bought a couple of products internet direct, as for the money they outclassed products costing 2x as much, but risk of hardware/software issues with unknown brands.

Paying a highish price for slight performance increase? Not really worth it.

Granted a 4060 with 12GB would be ideal...for £250.
 
A used RTX 3070 still seems a decent option around the £250 price point. In terms of new launches thought this doesn't seem bad at all from Intel. 12GB and decent performance VS power consumption.

The B770 might offer a decent jump in performance when it launches and be a bit more exciting.
 
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