I would cherry pick a little bit more.Honestly, I'm kinda shocked by the performance. I was expecting 4060 (but actually slightly better) and I thought that would've been an ok performance but I see them actually struggling to even do that. Worst of all, the RT numbers vs AMD are also pretty bad, which is where I'd have thought they'd wipe the floor with them. And ofc plenty of problems still there typical of ARC. Basically it has 12 GB of vram going for it on the budget, but that's it. No way they only manage to put out low range cards and still can't even outcompete there (after they already have to use a much larger to die to even do that!) and they survive. Don't forget, RDNA 3 & Lovelace are the old cards, this will have to compete for much longer with Blackwell & RDNA 4!
I genuinely think this kills their GPU division.
-
Competitor rules
Please remember that any mention of competitors, hinting at competitors or offering to provide details of competitors will result in an account suspension. The full rules can be found under the 'Terms and Rules' link in the bottom right corner of your screen. Just don't mention competitors in any way, shape or form and you'll be OK.
Soldato
Intel done good according to the vast majority of reviews, and you don't have to run muddy texture settings to keep in vram.
Caporegime
Honestly, I'm kinda shocked by the performance. I was expecting 4060 (but actually slightly better) and I thought that would've been an ok performance but I see them actually struggling to even do that. Worst of all, the RT numbers vs AMD are also pretty bad, which is where I'd have thought they'd wipe the floor with them. And ofc plenty of problems still there typical of ARC. Basically it has 12 GB of vram going for it on the budget, but that's it. No way they only manage to put out low range cards and still can't even outcompete there (after they already have to use a much larger to die to even do that!) and they survive. Don't forget, RDNA 3 & Lovelace are the old cards, this will have to compete for much longer with Blackwell & RDNA 4!
I genuinely think this kills their GPU division.
Its not a bad card IMO, nothing wrong with it, its just over priced, at $200 it would be good but really that's all it is, a good $200 card. Its not a 4060 for 4060 money.
Last edited:
Soldato
Last edited:
Why say that Intel done good then comment with the following you don't have to run muddy texture settings to keep in vram then go on to debunk yourself with the charts you posted showing in the games tested VRAM isnt an issue.Intel done good according to the vast majority of reviews, and you don't have to run muddy texture settings to keep in vram.
The 12 game average shows that the RTX 4060ti 8GB and the RTX 4060ti 16GB have identical performance showing that a if an 8GB 580 existed vs a 12GB B580 it would very likely be the same performance.
It's funny to me how people don't see that Intel following AMD's strategy (similar performance, more memory, slightly cheaper, and some other disqualifying issues which people can use to justify Nvidia instead) isn't going to be a winner.
Once you look at 60 fps normalised results the picture looks a lot less rosy. Right now I've sadly seen too many outlets include and talk about how X GPU is y% better than Z but it's under 30 fps results. A complete joke.
Once you look at 60 fps normalised results the picture looks a lot less rosy. Right now I've sadly seen too many outlets include and talk about how X GPU is y% better than Z but it's under 30 fps results. A complete joke.
Caporegime
Modern games will reduce texture streaming quality to maintain performance. This means you will see lower quality textures on lower VRAM cards or textures taking longer to load. HUB and other outlets showed it.
Then there is worse 1% lows. My mate with an RX6700XT has far less of those issues compared to my RTX3060TI 8GB. I am starting to see it pop up more often. But I intend to upgrade in the next few months if I can,and I had this card since 2021.
With the consoles having between 10GB to 12GB of VRAM,I wouldn't be spending decent money on an 8GB card now unless you are running older or more casual games.Even Digital Foundry is saying more VRAM is needed and they have far more exclusive access to gaming stuff than many here. The RTX3060 12GB can produce better 1% lows than an RTX4060 8GB.
But with 3GB GDDR7 modules Nvidia can make the RTX5060 12GB with a 128 bit bus:
Samsung unveils 24Gb GDDR7 memory — up to 42.5 Gbps modules with 30% higher efficiency
Mass production is planned for early next year.
I expect at that point finally the 8GB meme will go away.
Last edited:
Soldato
Can you show me on the doll where Arc hurt you?
Soldato
If you go over there *points* there's that hill a few died on. At the time it was just one game.
I think when the 50 series and the RNDA4 cards come in a few weeks, being released around the same time we will really see if the intel cards are looked on as favourably.
Last edited:
I remember seeing some reporting on it and theres times when this occurs though are they activly reporting and testing for this as I think it would be quite misleading to people leaving this vital information out though it does not help when people post cropped screenshots of benchmarks. This would be a good use case to benchmark at settings other than 1080p as if this happens on 8GB cards I would also assume it could also occur with 12GB and 16GB cards at certain settings but for some people 1080p testing is king no questions allowed.
Given the time thats passed I understand that the 1% lows between the two is a thing now looking at the 12 game average benchmark Raven posted the 3060ti sits above the 6700XT. As a 3060ti owner also a 6700XT was a potential second hand purchase for me I noticed in some gameplay benchmarks when not under max load the general power consumption was lower than the 3060ti which is something I missed or the reviews did.
If one accepts the limitations of 8GB cards and can get them cheep enough second hand for around £200 and under thats fine for older/casual games. Going forward I've always said that new cards need more VRAM but also have to get a lot faster as some of the testing shows a 8GB card has VRAM issues at xx settings but the higher VRAM card is pointless as it cant maintain 60fps at that setting anyway muddy textures or not. AMD and nvidia will happily give one an option of purchasing a low end card with more vram knowing this.
Thanks for the update as the last I heard about this was that the 3GB GDDR7 chips where to arrive at a later date and would make it for a possible Super refresh but lets see.But with 3GB GDDR7 modules Nvidia can make the RTX5060 12GB with a 128 bit bus:
Samsung unveils 24Gb GDDR7 memory — up to 42.5 Gbps modules with 30% higher efficiency
Mass production is planned for early next year.www.tomshardware.com
I expect at that point finally the 8GB meme will go away.
could be wrong but looks like oc sold about 400+ on release how that pans out across the world who knows
Last edited:
dont see how they can do anything given the pricing structure. nvidia has cards same price which are quicker with probably less issues. so they can drop prices and basically just make the intel cards either drop price or pointless at current price.
No, Nvidia doesn't. The RTX 4060 may be faster in some games, but the B580 is faster overall.
Fewer issues, yes.
Agreed. But guess what? We the consumers win. I will be entirely unsurprised if Intel haven't already factored this in.
Associate
I am quite impressed with the reviews of the 580 but I would really want something faster and there has been no mention of any higher spec models ie b770.
Lol.
HWU reporting demand is exceeding expectations at retailers. Not a paper launch.
Soldato
I'd like to believe Intel is holding back in B7XX card to see how the market responds to the B580/70 first and if there would be enough demand and people are comfortable buying graphics cards from Intel.
The mid range is far more competitive though and issues around limited vram and a lack of options which plaques the entry level don't exist when talking about 4070's and 7800 XT's so the opportunities to deliver something different are more limited.