The joy of being a landlord

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Going back to damp/mould issues...

When it comes to the crunch it would be very difficult for either landlord or tennant to proove in court who was negligent.
I've seen plenty of dilapidated/neglected propererties, and I've also seen many people who rent and 'hot box' the property, never air it out, and then wonder why they have condensation running down the walls.
 
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Has anyone mentioned the ever-increasing amount of housing benefit paid to private landlords... because as they increase rents, the taxpayer simply has to pony up more money.

Lovely programme on C4 (iirc) the other month about slum landlords charging £1000 for a single room (turning a former council house into 4x "apartments"), and the taxpayer having to pay 100% of the rent for those tenants. Lovely.

And the other elephant in the room - the lack of long-term tenancies in this country (many hobbyist landlords hate this idea).

If you could secure your tenancy for 10-20 years, you could take pride in your house, making improvements (agreed of course) and really treat the place as your home.

Where is the incentive for anyone to improve (or even maintain) their private rented house? If they did so the landlords would simply up the rent, or worse, chuck them out...
I have and I think its why even some Tories are getting onboard with a social house building program now, because the problem has got so big the housing benefits bill has become a behemoth.

Part of the issue is of course letting agents, who I think should be banned entirely. There is a few landlords who had no intention of upping their rents, then getting pressed by their agent to making a very large increase because "its the way the market is going" sort of thing. Letting agents of course also prefer shorter tenancies as they play a role in finding new tenants, and opportunities for them to make money in that situation.
 
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There is a few landlords who had no intention of upping their rents, then getting pressed by their agent to making a very large increase because "its the way the market is going" sort of thing.
My agents in a nutshell.
I just remind them who’s actually paying for their services, then they back off for a few months before suggesting it again.
 
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When I was renting, the agent was a "company" that seemed to be one bloke - and that company was owned by..... the landlord :D

Actually it made things fairly straightforward with things like rent increases, inspections and all that stuff because the guy literally worked for the landlord.

TBH other than one small rent increase in 6 years, one routine inspection in the first 3 months (that I don't think they actually came and did) and one electrical inspection not long before I moved out (where the sparky accidentally broke the power shower whilst taking the cover off - came back later with a brand new unit and fitted it the same day) , I didn't really have any sort of contact with the agent, and absolutely none with the landlord directly.
The guy who serviced boilers for the landlord just used to text me directly and I would leave him a key out. Dead straightforward.

In that time a couple of things went wrong with the house (door handle gearbox jammed, I snapped a key in a lock, and a toilet fill valve started leaking) I fixed the issues myself, probably cost something like fifty quid in total, it didn't seem worth the hassle of contacting the agent to get someone in, which would have been more hassle for me than doing it myself.
 

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If you could secure your tenancy for 10-20 years, you could take pride in your house, making improvements (agreed of course) and really treat the place as your home.

Where is the incentive for anyone to improve (or even maintain) their private rented house? If they did so the landlords would simply up the rent, or worse, chuck them out...

I know this is more common in some other countries but how does this work? Can you sell the place? How do rental rises work? How does eviction work for bad tenants?

I think that honestly, the only thing that will sort out the housing problem in this country is large scale house building with heavy and I mean heavy oversight from the government. If private companies cannot put together a decent house they should lose contracts and be fined heavily.

Everything else is just a temporary measure and they seem incapable of creating a system that doesn't favour the tenant or landlord massively.
 
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Ultimately the cause cant be certain until an expert looks at it.

For reference do you open your own windows at home in the middle of a freezing day?
In your case it sounds very obvious that it's a building issue and it does give LL's a bad name when they try to pull stunts like that.

Yes, I leave my vents open all day and typically only close them if at all at night, my personal bedroom doesn't have vents and I open the small window every morning until the condensation clears. We also have dehumidifiers in the kitchen and laundry because those rooms do tend to get mould in the corners if we don't (and the rads are undersized for the size of room plus big patio window that sheds heat like crazy).

I have had to get a property inspected for damp once over a deposit dispute, the tenants had moved out and turned the heating off at the breakers and just not told me/handed back the key, inspector took measurements with a damp meter and posted it off to TDS who then awarded me out of the deposit for cleaning/treating. They actually had done zero cleaning at all and left me a nice bundle of pubes in the plug hole (rubber glove job obviously). They also tried to claim ripping a door off its hinges was "fair wear and tear".
 
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I know this is more common in some other countries but how does this work? Can you sell the place? How do rental rises work? How does eviction work for bad tenants?

I think that honestly, the only thing that will sort out the housing problem in this country is large scale house building with heavy and I mean heavy oversight from the government. If private companies cannot put together a decent house they should lose contracts and be fined heavily.

Everything else is just a temporary measure and they seem incapable of creating a system that doesn't favour the tenant or landlord massively.
10 year tenancies in the private sector, and basically unending tenancies in the social sector are not uncommon here.

The buildings are generally large blocks generally owned by a cooperative, or by the state, so any sale/change of ownership tends to happen unnoticed or not at all. The state owns something mad like 50% of the housing stock in Vienna, I can't remember the exact figure but it's really high.

Bad tenants can still be evicted for breaking the terms of their rental agreement.

I live in a brand new private rental apartment in a large block and we have a ten year contract (they are allowed to increase prices in line with inflation but not for arbitrary reasons)
 
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Presumably a lot more nuanced than that, no ? :cry: :cry:

That's the main issue here, why do you think there is such a huge price difference between land with planning permission to build residential property on it and land without it?

Maybe French builders can all get houses completed at no labour cost and materials are free in France?
 
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That's the main issue here, why do you think there is such a huge price difference between land with planning permission to build residential property on it and land without it?

Maybe French builders can all get houses completed at no labour cost and materials are free in France?
Even if you know better than to associate a single reason to the crisis we are currently living in. Silver bullet and all that
 
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Even if you know better than to associate a single reason to the crisis we are currently living in. Silver bullet and all that

You're just being vague and not really saying anything as I think you've got zero understanding of the issue. Planning is the biggest factor here, solve that and we can increase supply increase supply and.... well it's not rocket science.
 
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You're just being vague and not really saying anything as I think you've got zero understanding of the issue. Planning is the biggest factor here, solve that and we can increase supply increase supply and.... well it's not rocket science.
What's vague about suggesting it is daft to associate a single cause?

Where is all this land that if planning suddenly opened up would make us comparable to France?

What about the socialist nature of France and its large stock of social houses?

Affordability, general characteristics (they tend to own homes for generations), taxation on sale (so it isn't profitable to flip houses)........

Very short sighted. Bad dowie.
 
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What's vague about suggesting it is daft to associate a single cause?
Where is all this land that if planning suddenly opened up would make us comparable to France?

Because you didn't have an argument you just dismissed something that didn't sound right to you on a subject you're ignorant about, there is land all around us, very little of the UK is developed and the greenbelt often isn't what you think it is. Not to mention there is plenty of scope to density already developed parts of the UK such as London.

What about the socialist nature of France and its large stock of social houses?

Affordability, general characteristics (they tend to own homes for generations), taxation on sale (so it isn't profitable to flip houses)........

Yeah, I think you're just throwing in stuff off the cuff after your previous vague response for example re: social housing, we're 4th highest in the OECD...
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If you're interested in the impact of planning then see Texas and their growing population vs California, look at Croydon identifying vs rest of London:

More evidence here from the chief data reporter at the FT:

More evidence from the Competition and Markets authority:

Feel free to reply with something substantial next time.
 
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Anyway back on topic, I guess this is part of the issue re: any potential change, it's not just Boomer NIMBYs who use the planning system to block development but there is a general lack of understanding that planning is a big issue or even more generally that supply is an issue to solve if we want cheaper housing:

For economists, there’s a simple remedy for higher prices—increase supply, in this case by building more housing. It’s a simple idea. (So simple that Saturday Night Live comedian Don Novello’s character of Father Guido Sarducci, for his “five minute university” said: “Economics? Supply and demand. That’s it.”)
But many people—including some progressive advocates for affordable housing—don’t believe increased supply will help lower rents and house prices. Their opposition has become known as “supply skepticism,” and an excellent new paper from New York University’s Vicki Been, Ingrid Gould Ellen, and Katherine M. O’Regan explores this issue.

Supply skepticism is well documented. Scholars Clayton Nall, Christopher Elmendorf, and Stan Oblobdzijasurveyed of thousands of people about it. Respondents stated a good deal of skepticism that increased housing supply would lower housing prices, with these beliefs “widespread and absolutely real,” not confined to any particular subset of opinion or demographics.

Their findings are even more puzzling because survey respondents believed in supply and demand in other markets.
Unlike with housing, respondents said increased grain supplies would lower prices, and problems with new car supply chains would cause used car prices to rise. The researchers concluded: “do people think about housing in the same way they think about other markets? No.”

NYU’s Been, Ellen, and O’Regan first wrote about supply skepticism in 2019. Their new review analyzes the ever-growing body of research showing increasing housing supply slows growth in rents; frees up existing housing for others to rent; and isn’t associated with “significant displacement of lower income households.”

So why don’t people, especially affordable housing advocates, believe in supply and demand, at least when it comes to housing? It isn’t fully clear. Of course, some opponents of building housing are homeowners who simply want their property values to stay high and profit from a lack of competition.

But even advocates of more affordable housing refuse to change zoning to allow more supply. Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass, very progressive on many issues and elected in part to address homelessness and affordable housing, has ordered streamlined approvals for affordable housing and homeless shelters. But she has exempted neighborhoods with single-family zoning from these provisions.
 
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