The Last of Us Part II

Newbie007 · 30 Apr 2020 at 09:21

The 1st TLoU was pretty much pitch-perfect storywise, the DLC not so much. But having read the spoilers for this I'm out, canceled my pre-order as I don't feel this game has been made 'for me'.

To the guy that said the leaks were due to a pay dispute, I've read that due to ND's crunch culture and by initially delaying the release of the game indefinitely to maximize profits they annoyed a fair few folks that dealt with some horrible working conditions getting TLoU2 release ready.

beachBOYken · 30 Apr 2020 at 10:28

Newbie007 said:
The 1st TLoU was pretty much pitch-perfect storywise, the DLC not so much. But having read the spoilers for this I'm out, canceled my pre-order as I don't feel this game has been made 'for me'.

To the guy that said the leaks were due to a pay dispute, I've read that due to ND's crunch culture and by initially delaying the release of the game indefinitely to maximize profits they annoyed a fair few folks that dealt with some horrible working conditions getting TLoU2 release ready.

Horrible working conditions, what exactly do they have to put up with sitting at a desk developing games, I have always been curious, when this has been mentioned in the past within game development. I know they may have to work long hours to meet dead lines.

strocky · 30 Apr 2020 at 12:00

Some amount of staff churn because of it as well

Amatsubu · 30 Apr 2020 at 14:20

Newbie007 said:
The 1st TLoU was pretty much pitch-perfect storywise, the DLC not so much. But having read the spoilers for this I'm out, canceled my pre-order as I don't feel this game has been made 'for me'.

Yeah, the story is so random, idiotic and out of place that I can barely believe it's true but it apparently is.

I've been telling people ND won't be able to do TLoU justice as they themselves said Joel and Ellie's story is finished but what happened here boggles my mind, I'm actually glad I checked this out

antijoke · 30 Apr 2020 at 15:10

beachBOYken said:
Horrible working conditions, what exactly do they have to put up with sitting at a desk developing games, I have always been curious, when this has been mentioned in the past within game development. I know they may have to work long hours to meet dead lines.

you should educate yourself on the culture of games development at the top studios prior to launch, the crunch culture sounds absolutely horrific.

https://kotaku.com/inside-rockstar-games-culture-of-crunch-1829936466

https://kotaku.com/as-naughty-dog-crunches-on-the-last-of-us-ii-developer-1842289962

Bigpig · 30 Apr 2020 at 15:57

I take my previous statement back I just had a peak......

WTH ND!!!!!!

They are blaming the leaks on ruining the game for people.

I think they have done that themselves.....

Ahhhhhh

mid_gen · 30 Apr 2020 at 16:10

I'm intrigued, but not enough to look...

Are the people reacting strongly to the leak the sort of people that froth about SJWs?

Bigpig · 30 Apr 2020 at 16:21

It's not good dude. The first game has just been **** on and full on 2020 gender and social politics have taken over.....

Really peaved off now. Why didn't they just go away and make a new game instead of this.

I would have purchased the new game and probably enjoyed it even with all the politics.

Why!!!!!!

mid_gen · 30 Apr 2020 at 16:48

Erm, did no-one play the DLC? I am surprised that anyone is surprised that gender is a theme in the game.

Anyway, if the anti-SJW crowd are foaming at the mouth, that probably means it's good

Bigpig · 30 Apr 2020 at 16:52

Dude it has nothing to do with her being a lesbian or even the gender politics.

All I can say this is just nasty and way to dark and that's all I can say without spoiling.

What were they thinking.

Amatsubu · 30 Apr 2020 at 17:07

mid_gen said:
Erm, did no-one play the DLC? I am surprised that anyone is surprised that gender is a theme in the game.

Anyway, if the anti-SJW crowd are foaming at the mouth, that probably means it's good

I'd love to see your face when you finally get to know everything

Gender has rather little to do with it, even though they tried so hard to pointlessly refocus the game around such themes like it really needed that. Won't say more not to spoil anything, but I've seen enough.

Bigpig, why do you think it's too dark and nasty? I though there were many other problems, can you tell me in spoiler tags?

mid_gen · 30 Apr 2020 at 17:18

Amatsubu said:
I'd love to see your face when you finally get to know everything

Gender has rather little to do with it, even though they tried so hard to pointlessly refocus the game around such themes like it really needed that. Won't say more not to spoil anything, but I've seen enough.

Bigpig, why do you think it's too dark and nasty? I though there were many other problems, can you tell me in spoiler tags?

I am going to avoid spoilers if I can and find out soon when I play it. I'm certainly intrigued by the response from people.

Newbie007 · 30 Apr 2020 at 17:23

mid_gen said:
Erm, did no-one play the DLC? I am surprised that anyone is surprised that gender is a theme in the game.

Anyway, if the anti-SJW crowd are foaming at the mouth, that probably means it's good

Yes we played the dlc, and whilst Ellie being gay felt a bit forced given some elements of the main game the story was still well written and executed.

ND have always had 'sjw' themes in all of their games, the difference this time appears to be that the story has been sacrificed in order to force through certain progressive elements. Reading up on this the main guy at ND now is Neil Druckman and yes he's a leftist but he's always had a team of writers able to reign him in, that's not the case this time by the look of it. It's entirely possible to write/make a damn fine game or movie or comic book if your number one priority isn't 'ma diversity' but rather the story 1st. This is the problem the 'raging anti sjw' crowd have, the story always takes a back seat so some moron can virtue signal.

mid_gen · 30 Apr 2020 at 17:33

Newbie007 said:
Yes we played the dlc, and whilst Ellie being gay felt a bit forced given some elements of the main game the story was still well written and executed.

ND have always had 'sjw' themes in all of their games, the difference this time appears to be that the story has been sacrificed in order to force through certain progressive elements. Reading up on this the main guy at ND now is Neil Druckman and yes he's a leftist but he's always had a team of writers able to reign him in, that's not the case this time by the look of it. It's entirely possible to write/make a damn fine game or movie or comic book if your number one priority isn't 'ma diversity' but rather the story 1st. This is the problem the 'raging anti sjw' crowd have, the story always takes a back seat so some moron can virtue signal.

You people are hilarious

Newbie007 · 30 Apr 2020 at 17:47

mid_gen said:
You people are hilarious

Well, if a generic revenge story is your cup of tea, you knock yourself out with this one

BuffetSlayer · 30 Apr 2020 at 20:43

mid_gen said:
Anyway, if the anti-SJW crowd are foaming at the mouth, that probably means it's good

Just out of interest, why?

As an aside, do you think the trend of shoe horning social agenda items into every facet of consumable media is a good thing? And if so, why?

TheVoice · 1 May 2020 at 00:48

mid_gen said:
I am going to avoid spoilers if I can and find out soon when I play it. I'm certainly intrigued by the response from people.

I'm not sure how much value I'd put in the opinions of people who have deliberately sought out spoilers in the first place.

MrMarvelous · 1 May 2020 at 01:58

Resetera has a very comprehensive thread on all the leaks and basically everything else. If you'd like to see it the link is here.

I was hyped for this and Cyberpunk 2077 but after seeing what they've done with the sequel I think i'll pass for the time being.

Bigpig · 1 May 2020 at 06:17

Gah I hope most of this is not true. I wanted a sequel but not like this. Every single person on this forum that said the first game was perfect and a sequel would ruin it are 100% correct.

This is some nasty crap. It's all going to come down to the execution which they will probably pull off. The actors and writer's have enough skill to do it.

But at what cost? Make you feel empty and hallow?

This is a story that didn't need to be told.....

The price is just to high.

Amatsubu said:
I'd love to see your face when you finally get to know everything

Gender has rather little to do with it, even though they tried so hard to pointlessly refocus the game around such themes like it really needed that. Won't say more not to spoil anything, but I've seen enough.

Bigpig, why do you think it's too dark and nasty? I though there were many other problems, can you

Like forget all the trans crap but to make you play as a character who kills a beloved character is some dark crap.

mid_gen · 1 May 2020 at 08:18

BuffetSlayer said:
Just out of interest, why?

As an aside, do you think the trend of shoe horning social agenda items into every facet of consumable media is a good thing? And if so, why?

The world is full of interesting people and stories, I like to hear about them. As a boring ass straight white dude who was exposed to mostly just boring ass straight white dudes in popular culture when I was growing up, it's interesting to watch, read, and play stories about people different from myself.

As a bonus, people different from me get to see a little of themselves represented in popular culture, and feel more a part of it.

If you feel threatened and have hostile reactions to this sort of thing...you really need to take a long hard look at what's really upsetting you, and perhaps step away from the environments that are encouraging you to have such a negative outlook on life.