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Shamikebab said:
You're wrong, we literally had Evra saying Ronaldo should be playing against Spurs after one of our best performances for years. What we do on the pitch is irrelevant, the media will talk about Ronaldo. So unless you're suggesting ETH should start him every game to just appease the media then it's meaningless. ETH has to do what is best for the club and what is best for the club is not starting Ronaldo. If he wants to ruin his reputation instead of becoming the elder statesmen that comes in when needed like so many others then that is on him..
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But as I said Shami, nobody pays any attention to isolated people saying Ronaldo should play when Utd win. The issue is only when results don't go your way because then larger numbers of people jump on the bandwagon and it becomes a genuine distraction. And to be crystal clear, I'm absolutely not saying Utd should start Ronaldo, even if as a Liverpool fan I'd like it. I said 12 months ago that Utd bringing him back was a bad move and I was stunned that Utd kept hold of him in the summer because I knew this would happen.

Ronaldo being a tart is nothing new. 12 months before he left Utd the first time around he behaved like a ****. Ronaldo only cares about Ronaldo. The fact that journalists close to him even admitted that part of the reason for wanting to leave was because he didn't want Messi to catch him in the CL goal scoring stakes shows you just how self centred he is. The priority for Utd should be to get rid of him now, just how much they have to pay him to go in January will be a negotiation for then.
 
So what should we have done in the summer? Paid him 20m+ to leave and then gone into the season with 1 striker who is injury prone?

There has been numerous claims from people both on here in the media that we should have let him leave as if we were rejecting offers. Nobody wanted him We've had yet another club come out this morning and say they don't want him (Marseille)
 
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Nobody wanted to pay him the £35-40m he was earning but somebody would have taken him if Utd were subsidising that. And yea, Utd should have paid him £20m to leave but obviously they also should have looked to bring somebody in. Paying him £35-40m to keep him, knowing that he's going to cause you nothing but problems is a lot worse than paying him £20m to go.

I accept that no scenario was great for Utd but unfortunately that's the consequences of signing Ronaldo in the first place. When you make a bad decision you need to find the least bad way to correct that and paying him to go is that, imo anyway.
 
BaZ87 said:
Nobody wanted to pay him the £35-40m he was earning but somebody would have taken him if Utd were subsidising that. And yea, Utd should have paid him £20m to leave but obviously they also should have looked to bring somebody in. Paying him £35-40m to keep him, knowing that he's going to cause you nothing but problems is a lot worse than paying him £20m to go.

I accept that no scenario was great for Utd but unfortunately that's the consequences of signing Ronaldo in the first place. When you make a bad decision you need to find the least bad way to correct that and paying him to go is that, imo anyway.
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First part is pure guesswork, no indications anyone made that offer or United rejected it.
Second part is meaningless because the Glazers weren't sanctioning any more purchases, we only got Antony and Casemiro because of fan pressure after the first few defeats. I don't see them sanctioning a signing in January even if we get rid of Ronaldo, we might have to cope with a short term loan like we did with Ighalo.
 
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Shamikebab said:
First part is pure guesswork, no indications anyone mad that offer or United rejected it.
Second part is meaningless because the Glazers weren't sanctioning any more purchases, we only got Antony and Casemiro because of fan pressure after the first few defeats. I don't see them sanctioning a signing in January even if we get rid of Ronaldo, we might have to cope with a short term loan like we did with Ighalo.
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**** him, let him rot. United are still the richest club in the world(for now) so put a marker down and let him rot in the reserves, it’s not like you can’t afford it.
 
BaZ87 said:
Ronaldo decides if and when he trains and plays with the first team, he's not going to train and play with the reserves.
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He will go and train where he is told to or he will be in breach of his contract and I would assume that United could basically not pay him. Unless his contract states otherwise. You can't just not turn up to work because you don't like where you are being told to work.

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But nobody cares if you win. Like Wednesday, the general view is well done ETH for standing up to Ronaldo but if Utd don't win on Saturday then you'll have Roy Keane in the Sky studio questioning why he's not in the side.
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This is a core issue. Far too many idiots, many of them ex-professionals still tout the BS line of "Ronaldo is one of the best players in the world and you don't leave the best players in the world on the bench". No he isn't and nor has he been for years. If they had more than 2 braincells to rub together they might have the thought that no, you don't leave one of the best players in the world on the bench and therefore Ronaldo....isn't one of the best players in the world anymore.

Roy Keane talks some sense on some issues but is just generally a relic and part of that ex-United band who don't seem to understand a world that doesn't have everyone working under a manager like Fergie in a league where they are top dog.
 
ETH confirmed it was true that Ronaldo refused to come on in the last game. Very disappointing :(.

Have to say ETH has handled everything so well since he has come in. We have struck gold with him.
 
sigma said:
Meanwhile, Cavani banging them in for Valencia!
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Cavani was great for us first season and then I think Ronaldos arrival put his nose completely out of place and after that he checked out.

I really liked Cavani. Everything Ronaldo wasn't and isn't. Hard working, put the team first and always wanted the team to win even if it meant he didn't get the personal glory.
 
fez said:
Cavani was great for us first season and then I think Ronaldos arrival put his nose completely out of place and after that he checked out.

I really liked Cavani. Everything Ronaldo wasn't and isn't. Hard working, put the team first and always wanted the team to win even if it meant he didn't get the personal glory.
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yea, i was a big fan of cavani and ronnies arrival did seem to have an adverse affect on him. shame as i reckon he'd have filled his boots the past couple of games for manu!
 
Shamikebab said:
Cavani was never available, pointless discussing him as if we should have kept him (even if he wanted to stay)
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That was in his second season but yes, its a moot point and was as soon as Ronaldo arrived. The forward line over the past season and a half has been a shambles. The combination of Martials form/injuries, Ronaldos arrival and he who shall not be named has made a mess of it.
 
Yeah ultimately it all comes down to Greenwood, it was clear we were getting short term options in the hope he would be our option for the next decade. Unfortunately we lost a £100m+ asset overnight and it's difficult to recover from that. We need to find a longer term option in the summer.
 
If you are mentioning Cavani you should also take note that Arnautovic has scored 6 out of 9 in Serie A.

Also judging by how ETH has managed both the Ronaldo and Maguire situations that he might have been able to get a tune out of him as well ;). Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
 
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sigma said:
Well he can't score in games that he doesn't play in? I'd say playing in a game does matter when it comes to scoring goals. Unless you know something I don't?
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If he’s played 1 or 20 games, he’s only scored 3 goals. That ain’t banging them in no matter how you want to tart it up. Don’t get me wrong, I’d have him at the club in a heartbeat but to say he’s banging them in for Valencia when he’s scored a grand total of 3 goals is nonsense.
 
fez said:
He will go and train where he is told to or he will be in breach of his contract and I would assume that United could basically not pay him. Unless his contract states otherwise. You can't just not turn up to work because you don't like where you are being told to work.
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I'm not sure it's as simple as that. I believe there's limits (a few weeks) to how much pay Utd can dock him but even so, he can turn up and stand around with his hands on his hips and fulfill his obligations. Do Utd want spoiling reserve team training by acting a ****? He'll be sent home.
Shamikebab said:
First part is pure guesswork, no indications anyone made that offer or United rejected it.
Second part is meaningless because the Glazers weren't sanctioning any more purchases, we only got Antony and Casemiro because of fan pressure after the first few defeats. I don't see them sanctioning a signing in January even if we get rid of Ronaldo, we might have to cope with a short term loan like we did with Ighalo.
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It's an educated guess and no more of a guess than saying the Glazers weren't sanctioning any more purchases. Had Utd saved half of Ronaldo's wages then there's no reason why you then couldn't have signed somebody, like an Ighalo on a short term deal in the summer. Ultimately he'd be more use to you than Ronaldo has been and will.
 
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