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I agree, we are not churning out half a team worth of first team players from the youth setup each year but that isn't even remotely realistic to think we or anyone else at the very top could.

I'm talking about the fact that when you look at the players United have given first team game time to over the past 5 years compared to City we are a country mile ahead of them despite the huge sums they have spent on facilities and scouting for young players.
 
I think we do pretty good....

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zophiel said:
interesting reading from van gal about his removal from manager

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41212800
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Hmm, didn't find any of that surprising in the slightest. He was a rubbish manager and he was massively delusional. People had complained about his style of football for almost his entire tenure. He did a bad job and I don't think for a second that he would have gone without his final years salary regardless of how it was done.
 
fez said:
Hmm, didn't find any of that surprising in the slightest. He was a rubbish manager and he was massively delusional. People had complained about his style of football for almost his entire tenure. He did a bad job and I don't think for a second that he would have gone without his final years salary regardless of how it was done.
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I disagree. I thought he did a good job with the squad he had. He had to pick up the pieces after whatever the hell moyes did. Yes the play style was not the united way, but he did the best he could do with that squad. He won us an fa cup after 12 years and honestly that was alright after a few years without any trophies. I mean lets look at his decent signings: herrera, martial, rojo, blind, darmean, romero, shaw. Most of all though, his press conferences are absolutely legendary. The guy is flippin hilarious.

So personally, i did not like the way he was sent, i found that as a Manchester United supporter rather disrespectful and not the united way.
 
He stabilised us and brought back some respectability off the field that Moyes had trashed completely. His second season was an absolute failure though, he was too stubborn to adapt from his style of football that wasn't working and he can't have been shocked he was fired.
 
Shamikebab said:
His second season was an absolute failure though, he was too stubborn to adapt from his style of football that wasn't working and he can't have been shocked he was fired.
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I wouldnt call winning the fa cup an absolute failure, but i do agree about the play style. It was horrible and he refused to adapt.
 
div0 said:
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

*awaits first bite*
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It's true where did he get to in the champions league? All he bought was fellaini and Mata. but he wanted Herrera it was just out accountants who blew it.

Total spend 64 million. Lvgspent 248 million and took us backwards.

Depay. Do Maria, schneiderlin, svhweini, like Shaw.

How much did lvg get to spend?
 
to be fair after the mess SAF left the squad in (and given how much time RvP spent injured after that his first season) it probably was always going to take two or three managers before Utd became remotely successful again

Not to mention its not too hard to understand JM's point of view that it takes 3 summers to get a squad to a reasonable place to be competitive these days, and obviously if you are changing managers every so often (and not forgetting SAF doing very very little for the last 2 - 3 years in regards recruitment)

LvG was as much a disaster as Moyes was and deserved everything he got.
 
Sir Alex Ferguson left a squad that had just walked the league title in his last season (in fact the record in his last 4 seasons was 2 wins and 2 second places losing the league by a point in one and a goal in the other, not bad for a "mess" of a squad) and essentially a blank chequebook for new signings. In those circumstances it wasn't unreasonable to expect the new man coming in to manage to keep the club in the top 4. Moyes was a complete disaster in every area including his public courting of Fabregas and his inability to take a decision on players like Thiago who had been lined up.

LVG wasted a crazy amount of money as it turned out but his ability to spend demonstrated that the money was there.
 
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Sir Alex Ferguson left a squad that had just walked the league title in his last season (in fact the record in his last 4 seasons was 2 wins and 2 second places losing the league by a point in one and a goal in the other, not bad for a "mess" of a squad) and essentially a blank chequebook for new signings. In those circumstances it wasn't unreasonable to expect the new man coming in to manage to keep the club in the top 4. Moyes was a complete disaster in every area including his public courting of Fabregas and his inability to take a decision on players like Thiago who had been lined up.

LVG wasted a crazy amount of money as it turned out but his ability to spend demonstrated that the money was there.
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Whilst I agree with what you say we also lost Paul Scholes that year aswell and fergie had to bring him out of retirement as we were doing nothing without him and as said earlier van persie was injured a lot as well and we lost David Gill but I don't think moyes was a good idea to be our manager
 
alex h said:
Whilst I agree with what you say we also lost Paul Scholes that year aswell and fergie had to bring him out of retirement as we were doing nothing without him and as said earlier van persie was injured a lot as well and we lost David Gill but I don't think moyes was a good idea to be our manager
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I just detest the idea peddled in some quarters that Moyes was handed "the impossible job", he absolutely wasn't, he was given more than 99% of managers get when they take over a role. Some people deride the squad Ferguson left behind but it was a squad of proven winners as demonstrated by the 4 year record I quoted - very few managers are handed the Champions. He was also given money to spend, an incredibly large budget - again not a huge number of managers get that (or didn't at that point) and most importantly he had a fanbase that in most cases knew that the ride was over and had lowered expectations slightly. Had Moyes been playing decent football, had any sort of gameplan on the horizon, shown signs of reshaping the squad if it was deemed to need it or kept the club in the top 4 with a view to making future changes he would undoubtedly have kept the job. He did none of those things though, he couldn't even play the same back four two games running... He took the club from being champions in May to saying at Christmas that with significant changes they would be able to challenge for a top 4 place...
 
He's was there 8 months, how anyone can say whether he was successful or not is beyond me.
 
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