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Of course there are. My point wasn't that you can't see potential, its that it usually goes absolutely nowhere. Most players that have been labelled "the next Messi" end up forgotten about outside of forum threads where someone says "remember so and so, where did he end up?"

Its very easy to look back in hindsight. Chelsea sold De Bruyne and Salah. I watched Salah at Chelsea and you can argue he wasn't given a fair shake but nothing suggested he would become one of the best players in the world.

Its simply survivorship bias. You see player X who has made it to the very top and you look at his route and say "why didn't you see this coming". You don't see the other 98% of people who had exactly the same path and trajectory but didn't end up at the very top. Perhaps Gyokeres doesn't go to Sporting under Amorim and just ends up another Championship level player. Perhaps he makes a big money move to another side this coming summer and turns out he isn't quite as good outside of a system that suits him perfectly.

There are very few dead certs in football and with the amount of data and the worldwide nature of things these days, if someone comes out of seemingly nowhere to appear at the top, chances are good that they are a massive outlier.
Fair points :)

With my negative hat on (is it ever off?), regarding dead certs, there's no dead cert he'll be good in the EPL. Plus there's there regression aspect that OT has.
 
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For anyone talking about failed potential look at Ravel Morrison. One of the most talented kids we've ever had in our academy and just never made it. Predicting which talented 16 year olds (or even younger) will make it is incredibly difficult and nobody gets them all right.
 
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For anyone talking about failed potential look at Ravel Morrison. One of the most talented kids we've ever had in our academy and just made it. Predicting which talented 16 year olds (or even younger) will make it is incredibly difficult and nobody gets them all right.
I knew his name would come up sooner or later in this thread
 
For anyone talking about failed potential look at Ravel Morrison. One of the most talented kids we've ever had in our academy and just never made it. Predicting which talented 16 year olds (or even younger) will make it is incredibly difficult and nobody gets them all right.

Also REALLY strange ones like Pogba. Fergie wasn't able to charm him into staying and signing a new contract, he goes off winning leagues and cups in Italy, comes back to United for an insane fee, looks the real deal, wins the WC, then what the actual **** happened? Witchcraft doctor extortion weirdness, ends up with a doping ban after years of warm/cold performances and niggling injuries. Who the hell could have predicted that when he was a youngster? I suppose you could say that Fergie was right in that he should have stayed at MU and under his guidance, then again Fergie left soon after Pogba left, so who knows what would have happened.
 
I see you are new to this :p

People have been doing flight tracker etc for over a decade now. Its mad
Nah, not new to it. But it does amuse me all the same. The hype is real!

I’m getting on board the Amorim hype train. I hope you all are too.

Next stop, 10th place!
 
I'm slightly concerned by the general focus on RvN. I think he did well as interim and I'm a big fan, but unless Amorim genuinely wants him there, he needs to leave. He can hold his own as a manager elsewhere, rather than an assistant.

I think one of the downfalls over the last decade is keeping on ex-players and staff when they shouldn't really be there. You can see the stories now, a few dodgy results under Amorim and the press will be running stories that "the Man Utd players preferred working under RvN".

Just seems completely unwise to me.
 
I'm slightly concerned by the general focus on RvN. I think he did well as interim and I'm a big fan, but unless Amorim genuinely wants him there, he needs to leave. He can hold his own as a manager elsewhere, rather than an assistant.

I think one of the downfalls over the last decade is keeping on ex-players and staff when they shouldn't really be there. You can see the stories now, a few dodgy results under Amorim and the press will be running stories that "the Man Utd players preferred working under RvN".

Just seems completely unwise to me.
Oh, totally. However a negative story can be spun, it will. When I was watching the match yesterday a commentator said, and I quote, ‘RVN has done a spectacular job. I can imagine a large number of supporters want him as manager.’

It’s just setting us up to ‘fail’. They know what they’re doing.
 
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