I said winning that FA Cup final would paper over massive cracks and set us back, and sadly it has.
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I said winning that FA Cup final would paper over massive cracks and set us back, and sadly it has.
Seems Ashworth has taken the fall for it.
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In other news Sancho seems to have settled in at Chelsea, 3 assists and 2 goals in 9 matches. Looked good in the highlights/snippets I saw from today's match.
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It is, but I think this could probably have been seen coming without mystic megs powers.
Having read the various articles about the Ashworth situation, I don't really have an issue with it. Apparently Ratcliffe was unimpressed by his recruitment work, he didn't provide decisive enough answers to managerial decisions and was generally just sub-par. He also wasn't working well with the new CEO, Berrada, something that I suppose is difficult to foresee when people haven't really worked together before.
I would much rather see this sort of aggressive decision making if the club feel things aren't moving in the right direction, rather than just letting things linger. I'm sure Ashworth is good at what he does, but he may not be a good fit for the Man Utd job - turning around a stumbling giant of a club where fast results are demanded.
The obvious concern is that Ratcliffe seems to have been the driving force behind this, is he an out of touch, aggressive, impatient billionaire? We know in football there are usually no quick fixes in situations like this. Obviously the reports from the club will be trying to frame the situation in a certain way, but Ashworth sounds like he favoured sticking with an English manager - such as Southgate or Potter, which would have been a worry.
I would much rather see this sort of aggressive decision making if the club feel things aren't moving in the right direction, rather than just letting things linger. I'm sure Ashworth is good at what he does, but he may not be a good fit for the Man Utd job - turning around a stumbling giant of a club where fast results are demanded.
The obvious concern is that Ratcliffe seems to have been the driving force behind this, is he an out of touch, aggressive, impatient billionaire? We know in football there are usually no quick fixes in situations like this. Obviously the reports from the club will be trying to frame the situation in a certain way, but Ashworth sounds like he favoured sticking with an English manager - such as Southgate or Potter, which would have been a worry.
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"Usually" being the operative word. With the right recruitment, who knows. Why should we just accept it will take years when that doesn't necessarily have to be the case.
Right recruitment? You don't have the billions Chelsea have had to throw at players to fit the style of Amorinterim for a start..
"Usually" being the operative word. With the right recruitment, who knows. Why should we just accept it will take years when that doesn't necessarily have to be the case.
You are literally falling into the same trap you've been in for the past decade. Hell, Ashworth was supposed to be the start of this brave new world in which the 'best in class' behind the scenes team were going to propel your meteoric rise to the top again.
How is it the same trap? How do you know Ashworth was working out well - obviously he wasn't?
Ashworth signed off our summer transfers and they have been pretty questionable at best. We can't afford to keep signing average players for £40/50m. He had his chance and seemingly blew it. His advice to keep ETH in post was a sackable offence on its own - I'm sure you'd agree. If we'd appointed Southgate or Potter on Ashworth's suggestion you'd just be saying that was bad as well.
I think 5 months is far too soon to tell if he was doing a decent job or not, especially given how much smoke was being blown up is arse by ratcliffe previously.
The same transfers that you lot were over the moon about?
The position you guys are in means you will have to overpay for transfers, especially if other clubs are interested (see Yoro/Zirkzee)
And yet both Ashworth and Barrada both said the decision to keep ten hag was nothing to do with them? Whilst Southgate would have been hilarious (i still quite like Potter personally) you can see the appeal of both, your club needs an entire reset and either of those would have allowed that without tearing up everything and panic appointing a guy whose system is like nothing else at your club. What happens when the current guy is given the boot by xmas next year?
Given how Ineos have run Nice, this is just another in a long line of decisions by 'an out of touch, aggressive, impatient billionaire' imo.
I agree 5 months isn't long, but perhaps we don't have the full story. Ratcliffe aside, if you have a CEO and Football Director who completely disagree on how to do things, one of them has to go.
The transfers were OK, the biggest issue is how they mostly all linked to Ten Hag somehow, when he should have been sacked after the FA Cup final. The decision to persevere with him was a terrible one and they seem to have blamed Ashworth for that, even though he tried to distance himself from it.
I can't really see the appeal of Southgate, Berrada seems like he has his own ideas and wants to the reshape the club with Amorim at the helm. I have no issue with that, Amorim seems great but he will need time of course. We can't afford to get many future transfers wrong, they need to work out.
Certainly concerns over Ratcliffe's influence are valid, as I said myself.
The transfers were OK, the biggest issue is how they mostly all linked to Ten Hag somehow, when he should have been sacked after the FA Cup final. The decision to persevere with him was a terrible one and they seem to have blamed Ashworth for that, even though he tried to distance himself from it.
I can't really see the appeal of Southgate, Berrada seems like he has his own ideas and wants to the reshape the club with Amorim at the helm. I have no issue with that, Amorim seems great but he will need time of course. We can't afford to get many future transfers wrong, they need to work out.
Certainly concerns over Ratcliffe's influence are valid, as I said myself.
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It is a shambles isn't it? But then Ineos don't have a good track record apparently?
I'm reading online that they ruined the cycling team?
I appreciate sometimes things don't work out but you do have to wonder what the hiring process was like.
I'm reading online that they ruined the cycling team?
I appreciate sometimes things don't work out but you do have to wonder what the hiring process was like.
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Is that true?Catweazel strikes again, lovely bloke
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Ineos didn’t ruin the cycling team, although when Brailsford left to join Ineos’ management, that was the start of the decline. Brailsford was the driving force behind the success of the team starting with the then Team Sky
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Running a successful cycling team is a drop in the ocean compared to running one of the biggest football clubs in the world. It is a massive task.
Soldato
I wouldn’t know, I’ve never worked in either but Ineos didn’t really run a cycling team, they bought Team Sky and was the title sponsor, nothing changed within the team other than that. Due to how cycling is financed, running a cycling team is just as challenging if not more so but in a different way
Seems like nothing is off limits for ratcliffe
https://www.footballinsider247.com/...-on-busby-families-after-sir-alex-intervenes/
https://www.footballinsider247.com/...-on-busby-families-after-sir-alex-intervenes/
Not a great look. I would have thought it would have been a bigger story. Makes you wonder if its true or not.
Also, @C Kent why do you keep posting negative Man Utd posts? I didn't think trolling was allowed in this thread?
Is there a Man Utd fan doing similar in the opposite direction in the Liverpool thread? I hope not all your 113 posts in this thread have been this way.
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I wouldn't call posting negative stuff as trolling assuming it's backed up by articles/news stories which it usually is.
Does he enjoy poking fun at the mess of a club United are? 100%, but i don't consider it trolling.
Exactly. Laughing at a fanbase that thought ineos were going to bring back the good times when so far they are a millions times more scummy than the glazers isn't trolling