The Medium supports RT for both AMD and Mvidia at launch

CaptainRAVE · 27 Jan 2021 at 22:06

Nexus18 said:
Yeah tbf, I was really interested in it and would have given it a shot regardless of the perf. but as soon as I seen that you have no control over the camera i.e. weird angles etc. then I was like nope, not touching now

I’m curious to see whether that gets annoying or not.

fs123 · 27 Jan 2021 at 22:17

What kind of rubbish is this? Can't even reach 60fps with DLSS on lol. The graphics aren't even that good to begin with.
I remember some Nvidia fanboys were practically jizzing themselves because it supported RT + DLSS. 'The Medium' settings is probably what everyone will be playing at

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CaptainRAVE · 27 Jan 2021 at 22:20

fs123 said:
The graphics aren't even that good to begin with.

Point of the game missed entirely. It’s rendering two worlds at the same time on screen. There’s a cost to that.

fs123 · 27 Jan 2021 at 22:26

CaptainRAVE said:
Point of the game missed entirely. It’s rendering two worlds at the same time on screen. There’s a cost to that.

The video was not visibly rendering 2 worlds as far as I can see. You'd think they would be using occlusion culling or similar technique to not render a world that is invisible until you switch to it.

Grim5 · 27 Jan 2021 at 22:32

Ok it's not just Nvidia, the consoles are like super bad

Xbox Series X: Ultra settings, Ray Tracing ON = 900p 30fps

Xbox Series S: Ultra Settings, Ray Tracing OFF = 650p 30fps

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...deeper-look-at-xboxs-first-next-gen-only-game

fs123 · 27 Jan 2021 at 22:34

Grim5 said:
Ok it's not just Nvidia, the consoles are like super bad

Xbox Series X: Ultra settings, Ray Tracing ON = 900p 30fps

Xbox Series S: Ultra Settings, Ray Tracing OFF = 650p 30fps

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...deeper-look-at-xboxs-first-next-gen-only-game

Come on mate. It's a Nvidia partnered title so obviously consoles will suffer.
That's probably what the 3080 is rendering at in DLSS mode

ljt · 27 Jan 2021 at 22:50

Grim5 said:
Ok it's not just Nvidia, the consoles are like super bad

Xbox Series X: Ultra settings, Ray Tracing ON = 900p 30fps

Xbox Series S: Ultra Settings, Ray Tracing OFF = 650p 30fps

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...deeper-look-at-xboxs-first-next-gen-only-game

Those quoted figures are the minimum seen from time to time,not the average

It clearly states in the same article;

Single world renders; with dynamic resolution

4k with drops Series X
1080p with drops Series S

Dual worlds renders

1440p with drops to 900p Series X
900p with drops to 635p Series S

So yes its a poor show but those minimum are not constant, and for a £450 and £250 consoles they are pretty good!

Grim5 · 27 Jan 2021 at 23:10

fs123 said:
Come on mate. It's a Nvidia partnered title so obviously consoles will suffer.
That's probably what the 3080 is rendering at in DLSS mode

That went from 0 to 100 real quick, you sound salty

Brazo · 27 Jan 2021 at 23:25

Can someone explain this single/dual world thing?

If you only have one screen then a gpu can only push the pixels that screen has and no more? If a second world is being rendered then surely that’s a job for the cpu which then feeds the info to the gpu when it wants to swap worlds?

heartburnron · 28 Jan 2021 at 00:01

Brazo said:
Can someone explain this single/dual world thing?

If you only have one screen then a gpu can only push the pixels that screen has and no more? If a second world is being rendered then surely that’s a job for the cpu which then feeds the info to the gpu when it wants to swap worlds?

It's split screen.

heartburnron · 28 Jan 2021 at 00:05

Nexus18 said:
Did but didn't like them for the same reason. Just find games like that so restrictive when you are forced into certain camera views, makes navigating areas a right pita imo

Yeah it is annoying. I'm playing Heavy Rain just now which is a bit like a modern Fahrenheit, cool story but fixed camera angles which cause you walk in circles!

chris85oc · 28 Jan 2021 at 05:35

Until Direct storage comes on pc it will be funny to see people like some in this thread going all like ‘unoptimized garbage’. They cant hanlde that these little 500$ boxes are more advanced than their pcs. Yeah you got a faster gpu, cpu etc.. maybe ( if you got a rtx 2080+), but the whole package without direct storage in a game like this will choke your system.

yes the res is in line with perf on xbox sx but guess what? The pc chokes repeatedly while the xbx only has some small frame pacing issues.

Brazo · 28 Jan 2021 at 08:24

heartburnron said:
It's split screen.

Ta! Makes more sense now

Grim5 · 28 Jan 2021 at 20:19

Did a very brief test this morning, the game is live on gamepass now.

Skipped the cutscenes and just looked at performance in the apartment where the game starts for a couple minutes thats it.

During that time I observed the following numbers

40fps with settings on 4k Ultra, Ray Tracing ON, DLSS Off, Fidelity FX On

100fps with settings on 4k Ultra, Ray Tracing ON, DLSS On, Fidelity FX On

Brazo · 29 Jan 2021 at 22:57

heartburnron said:
It's split screen.

H’actually surely that makes no difference to gpu usage? Cpu usage yes but even if the game is running multiple games it can only move 8m pixels at anyone time (4K) ???

Or am I on the wrong track!

heartburnron · 29 Jan 2021 at 23:26

Brazo said:
H’actually surely that makes no difference to gpu usage? Cpu usage yes but even if the game is running multiple games it can only move 8m pixels at anyone time (4K) ???

Or am I on the wrong track!

I don't understand the science behind personally but that seems to the explanation going around as to it's pants performance.

Brazo · 29 Jan 2021 at 23:34

heartburnron said:
I don't understand the science behind personally but that seems to the explanation going around as to it's pants performance.

I don’t understand it then as in theory the game could be running one million different games at once and the (very powerful cpu) would hand 8 pixels per game to the gpu to render. (4K)

All the gpu does in gaming is to render what the cpu tells it to do but it can’t physically render more or less than the pixels on the screen (super sampling aside).

Wrinkly · 29 Jan 2021 at 23:43

Brazo said:
H’actually surely that makes no difference to gpu usage? Cpu usage yes but even if the game is running multiple games it can only move 8m pixels at anyone time (4K) ???

Or am I on the wrong track!

Wrong track. The game has double the geometry to work with during split scenes. It's especially hard going if RT is used within both scenes as that means building and processing of 2 BVH structures.

It doesn't look to be the best optimised title ever, but it also isn't the worst. It certainly doesn't deserve the hate that some are throwing on forums / Youtube.

opethdisciple · 30 Jan 2021 at 00:15

fs123 said:
What kind of rubbish is this? Can't even reach 60fps with DLSS on lol. The graphics aren't even that good to begin with.
I remember some Nvidia fanboys were practically jizzing themselves because it supported RT + DLSS. 'The Medium' settings is probably what everyone will be playing at .

Gerard · 30 Jan 2021 at 00:17

Grim5 said:
Did a very brief test this morning, the game is live on gamepass now.

Skipped the cutscenes and just looked at performance in the apartment where the game starts for a couple minutes thats it.

During that time I observed the following numbers

40fps with settings on 4k Ultra, Ray Tracing ON, DLSS Off, Fidelity FX On

100fps with settings on 4k Ultra, Ray Tracing ON, DLSS On, Fidelity FX On

Proof required in video form.