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***THE NEW KING - GTX 590 IS HERE!***
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Soldato
thats mad real mad look like some ppl are gonn ahve to becarefull with drivers lol.
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I wonder what voltage were they using...
While it is easy to blame driver, but if people were using ridiculous amount of voltage, and failing to acknowledge the card has two high power consumption and hot GPUs onboard (or forgotten) and just overclock it like any other card, then they probably got nobody to blame but themselves for killing the card...
If the card died at stock settings during stress, then Nvidia is clearly the one to blame...but for that video, I can't help but to feel the tester was trying to deny (or hide) his FAIL on overclocking...
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Soldato
If theres 3GB RAM and the Memory Interface is 384 bit x 2 then it has 2x 3GB RAM or 3GB per core, or does each core access the same RAM with its own 384bit interface?
Neither, it's 1536MB RAM per core (2x384bit bandwidth).
thats not temperature related thats current draw
Yep, should have had over-current protection (unless they did hard volt-mod which I doubt).
Soldato
As long as your not upping the voltage higher than is allowed in the bios then the cards shouldn't blow up, or if they do, it's the fault of the manufacturer and they are liable, as they should set safe voltage limits within the bios.
Overclocking is pretty much mainstream now and some AIB's actively encourage it, and use voltage tweaking in their marketing (Asus), so we are not talking about a minority on the fringes of the PC gaming scene getting up to mischief here, but normal enthusiast gamers.
It's also a health & safety hazard, did you see what looked to be glowing metal or solder popping off the card? that could potentially start a fire or burn something/someone that could potentially have serious consequences.
What's really damning though, as this isn't a 'one-off', apparently many other reviewers cards suffered the same fate.
Soldato
"I tried 1.2 V to see how much could be gained here, at default clocks and with NVIDIA's power limiter enabled. I went to heat up the card and then *boom*, a sound like popcorn cracking, the system turned off and a burnt electronics smell started to fill up the room. Card dead! Even with NVIDIA power limiter enabled."
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_590/26.html
Soldato
I once had an 8800GTX that set on fire & smoke started plooming out the tower.
Well I did increase the PCIe voltage & overclock from 587/1800 to 648/2020 & it ran fine with lots of fans. Oh, it was hours of Stalker which killed it.
Well I did increase the PCIe voltage & overclock from 587/1800 to 648/2020 & it ran fine with lots of fans. Oh, it was hours of Stalker which killed it.
Hadn't read that bit... no wonder it died... the highest "safe" voltage for the GF110 cores IIRC is 1.1v and its not reccomended to go much above that - 1.2v is insane (tho I wouldn't really have expected the power stage circuitry to fail but rather the core - but possible they hadn't taken into account anyone silly enough to put 1.2v through).
Soldato
Got evidence?
Soldato
Can try and find it - theres a long post somewhere an MSI employee made on the subject with regard to Afterburner.
But ask anyone with experience of overclocking 480/580 cards, you don't even need 1.1v to get pretty decent clocks and 1.1+v usually requires watercooling or other advanced cooling.
Anyone dialing in 1.2 from the off is (A) Stupid (sorry not gonna honey coat it) (B) Would appear to have little experience of overclocking Fermi (C) Actually trying to kill the card?
EDIT: From a little digging it does appear Asus have some 580 cards designed to actually use upto 1.2v not sure if this 590 is tho (and newer revision GF100/GF110 are revised for upto 1.15v operation).
But ask anyone with experience of overclocking 480/580 cards, you don't even need 1.1v to get pretty decent clocks and 1.1+v usually requires watercooling or other advanced cooling.
Anyone dialing in 1.2 from the off is (A) Stupid (sorry not gonna honey coat it) (B) Would appear to have little experience of overclocking Fermi (C) Actually trying to kill the card?
EDIT: From a little digging it does appear Asus have some 580 cards designed to actually use upto 1.2v not sure if this 590 is tho (and newer revision GF100/GF110 are revised for upto 1.15v operation).
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Soldato
I don't have a fermi or the like.
I just like to talk about these things.
I'm just being lazy in regard towards fact finding.
I just like to talk about these things.
I'm just being lazy in regard towards fact finding.
Soldato
The 590 that blew up with techpowerup was an Asus, I assume the bios allowed 1.2v
But whose to say the card wouldn't have blown up with 1.1v?
Yeah just done a bit more research on the Asus seems its one with voltage tweaking thats supposed to do ~920MHz @ 1.2v - I think this is an Asus problem tho not a GTX590 problem - nVidia don't reccomend more than 1.15v max even with the new core revision - sounds insane to me to use 1.2v let alone on stock reference cooling.
In before fanboys fighting that each is better...
Having looked at the reviews negating games which run better on ati or nvidia the new gtx 590 seems just slightly faster then the 6990 and lets face it should because it houses two gtx 580's and in most cases unless your going to be playing at a higher res then 2,560 x 1,600 were the extra 1 gb of memory helps out the 6990, excluding money being a issue you will probaly want the gtx 590 but then again 6990 being 100 pounds cheaper means u could buy a really nice aftermarket cooler/water block for it. both tempting cards its just personal choice !
Unfortunately you're talking nonsense the 590 is far from being faster than the 6990. It's a little faster in some less demanding games and generally slower in more demanding games and overall a little slower. Check out some reviews before posting hot air. Its also £100 more!