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*** The Official Alder Lake owners thread ***

Ayahuasca said:
It didn't in my case. Windows update was the first thing I did and I had to download the driver from the MSI page for my mobo.

Anyway this is getting a bit off topic. Chances of anyone having issues with the Realtek chip on Alderlake motherboards is slim to none.
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On AL with a realtek LAN motherboard. Open to suggestions :D

Honestly hoping my USB to ethernet connection suffers the same issues !
 
Is it definitely the Mobo's LAN that is dropping in and out? As in can you see it in Windows disconnecting and reconnecting? Also, if you run a speedtest.net test does the end report show heavy packet loss/jitter?
 
Ayahuasca said:
Go to device manager > network adapter > right click > properties > driver tab. What date does it show for the driver?
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Driver date 01/12/2021

mrk said:
Is it definitely the Mobo's LAN that is dropping in and out? As in can you see it in Windows disconnecting and reconnecting? Also, if you run a speedtest.net test does the end report show heavy packet loss/jitter?
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In windows you see the disconnect, the icon changes, reconnects and back working.


One other thing that I completely forgot, once it disconnects/reconnects for example when gaming, it is then stable.

Using the USB/eth adaptor no disconnects tonight.

With been intermittent this is going to take a long time to prove if its hardware/software
Saying that 99% of nights I get disconnected using the motherboard LAN port.

Yeah this is going to be a pita.
 
It sounds like it's having trouble handshaking the connection rate as in switching between 10/100/1000 - Can you manually in device manager set the network adapter to 1Gbps assuming you have a Gigabit LAN instead of leaving it on the default auto and retry?

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(1Gbps is at the top of the scroll list)

If that fixes it then that's what is the cause. Have seen it in the past on others machines but that's going back to XP days lol.
 
Whenever I see ethernet controllers having issues, it always tends to be when motherboard manufacturers cheap out and use realtek, or killer instead of a more reliable Intel NIC.

Realtek/killer also tend to have much higher CPU utilization compared to Intel ones, in my experience.
 
That is old skool thinking and no longer valid^^^

Gone are the days where latency and CPU usage between NICs was a thing. Modern PCs are so efficient/powerful that the difference in CPU usage from NIC to NIC is inconsequential/a non-issue. I'd be very surprised if anyone ever saw "much more" CPU usage on a Realtek vs Intel. Besides, issues existed on both realtek and Intel NICs and still do which later get sorted with newer drivers.

Essentially use whatever works/is convenient. The performance difference between NICs now is so small it's not even a consideration factor on a modern PC.
 
mrk said:
That is old skool thinking and no longer valid^^^

Gone are the days where latency and CPU usage between NICs was a thing. Modern PCs are so efficient/powerful that the difference in CPU usage from NIC to NIC is inconsequential/a non-issue. I'd be very surprised if anyone ever saw "much more" CPU usage on a Realtek vs Intel. Besides, issues existed on both realtek and Intel NICs and still do which later get sorted with newer drivers.

Essentially use whatever works/is convenient. The performance difference between NICs now is so small it's not even a consideration factor on a modern PC.
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Personal opinion perhaps, though I entirely disagree. I see many threads pop up with issues such as this one, with cheaper NIC's that some motherboard manufactuers use to save a new pennies. I don't see anywhere near the same number for Intel.

Also, Intel NIC's still perform better. Some reading for you (few years old, but many points still valid) https://dfarq.homeip.net/intel-nic-vs-realtek/
 
You cannot cite a few years old tech article because it's not relevant any more. Both have some bugs here and there, both have them sorted with drivers. Some people will always have some configuration or faulty hardware specific issues with anything, just the way it is.

There is very little difference between them on modern hardware, this isn't a matter of opinion, it is a matter of fact.

FWIW I am on a Gigabit internet connection and have no problems maxing out the capability of GIgabit with no stability issues whatsoever. 945Mbps at all times, my internet connection is actually provisioned at 1150Mbps though but I am limited by the Gigabit network I have since the router and switch are Gigabit only hence 945Mbps.

Articles and posts on reddit going back remarked on issues when your internet speed was above 500Mbps (although nobody seems to have posted any conclusive proof other than opinions), that may have been the case, but I've had over 500Mbit internet for a few years now and had the dual NIC Z170 mobo since 2015 - As mentioned only the Intel NIC on that board had stability issues whilst the Realtek was flawless.
 
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For once, well in my personal experience, it seems that this Z690 generation has had some real issues overall with the Intel NIC than they have had with the Realtek ones. Thankfully, only for the sake that it works and does so fine, the Realtek NIC on my Gigabyte 690 board has been rock stable with zero issues and typically low overheads when used.

I would, at one time, be all over some low profile Intel NIC's for my microservers over other brands. They just worked and did so well, with driver support as well.

I have never needed to factor that for such along time on a desktop machine, but my LAN home network needs are usually very much satisfied with whatever is on the board I buy.
 
mrk said:
It sounds like it's having trouble handshaking the connection rate as in switching between 10/100/1000 - Can you manually in device manager set the network adapter to 1Gbps assuming you have a Gigabit LAN instead of leaving it on the default auto and retry?


(1Gbps is at the top of the scroll list)
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Have changed that and will see how it behaves.

RevBillyG - it does do the same thing at stock.
 
mrk said:
You cannot cite a few years old tech article because it's not relevant any more. Both have some bugs here and there, both have them sorted with drivers. Some people will always have some configuration or faulty hardware specific issues with anything, just the way it is.

There is very little difference between them on modern hardware, this isn't a matter of opinion, it is a matter of fact.

FWIW I am on a Gigabit internet connection and have no problems maxing out the capability of GIgabit with no stability issues whatsoever. 945Mbps at all times, my internet connection is actually provisioned at 1150Mbps though but I am limited by the Gigabit network I have since the router and switch are Gigabit only hence 945Mbps.

Articles and posts on reddit going back remarked on issues when your internet speed was above 500Mbps (although nobody seems to have posted any conclusive proof other than opinions), that may have been the case, but I've had over 500Mbit internet for a few years now and had the dual NIC Z170 mobo since 2015 - As mentioned only the Intel NIC on that board had stability issues whilst the Realtek was flawless.
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The article is a few years old but much of it remains true. Intel is the premium 2.5Gbe Ethernet option, has higher performance and lower latency.

Also, google searches quickly show that there are far more people having issues with Realtek 2.5GbE vs Intel 2.5GbE, infact we have one user with an issue with it in this exact thread.

Even Gigabyte agree, which is why they don't install Realtek junk on their high end motherboards, offering both a 10GbE Marvell option (for those with a nice 10GbE home switch) and Intel 2.5GbE chip.

Z690 Aorous Master:
  1. Marvell® AQtion AQC113C 10GbE LAN chip
    (10 Gbps/5 Gbps/2.5 Gbps/1 Gbps/100 Mbps) (LAN1)
  2. Intel® 2.5GbE LAN chip (2.5 Gbps/1 Gbps/100 Mbps) (LAN2)
Why do you think they opted for the Intel 2.5Gbe NIC instead of the Realtek 2.5Gbe?
 
Vimes said:
For once, well in my personal experience, it seems that this Z690 generation has had some real issues overall with the Intel NIC than they have had with the Realtek ones. Thankfully, only for the sake that it works and does so fine, the Realtek NIC on my Gigabyte 690 board has been rock stable with zero issues and typically low overheads when used.

I would, at one time, be all over some low profile Intel NIC's for my microservers over other brands. They just worked and did so well, with driver support as well.

I have never needed to factor that for such along time on a desktop machine, but my LAN home network needs are usually very much satisfied with whatever is on the board I buy.
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Do go into detail, I'd like to hear from your "personal experience" of the Z690 issues that include the revision 3 of the Intel L225V NIC.
 
Dave2150 said:
The article is a few years old but much of it remains true. Intel is the premium 2.5Gbe Ethernet option, has higher performance and lower latency.

Also, google searches quickly show that there are far more people having issues with Realtek 2.5GbE vs Intel 2.5GbE, infact we have one user with an issue with it in this exact thread.

Even Gigabyte agree, which is why they don't install Realtek junk on their high end motherboards, offering both a 10GbE Marvell option (for those with a nice 10GbE home switch) and Intel 2.5GbE chip.

Z690 Aorous Master:
  1. Marvell® AQtion AQC113C 10GbE LAN chip
    (10 Gbps/5 Gbps/2.5 Gbps/1 Gbps/100 Mbps) (LAN1)
  2. Intel® 2.5GbE LAN chip (2.5 Gbps/1 Gbps/100 Mbps) (LAN2)
Why do you think they opted for the Intel 2.5Gbe NIC instead of the Realtek 2.5Gbe?
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On my Z490 Aorus Xtreme is:

  1. 1 x Aquantia 10GbE LAN chip (10 Gbit/5 Gbit/2.5 Gbit/1 Gbit/100 Mbit) (LAN1)
  2. 1 x Intel® 2.5GbE LAN chip (2.5 Gbit/1 Gbit/100 Mbit) (LAN2)

I've never heard of Aquantia...
 
Forget Intel vs AMD, the new battle is Intel vs Realtek :cry:

Honestly, outside of some specific driver issues on both sides. I bet 99.99999% of users on a modern system couldn’t tell the difference between what Ethernet chip they’re using.
 
Ayahuasca said:
Forget Intel vs AMD, the new battle is Intel vs Realtek :cry:

Honestly, outside of some specific driver issues on both sides. I bet 99.99999% of users on a modern system couldn’t tell the difference between what Ethernet chip they’re using.
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There were v1 and certain v2 issues with Intel nics on Z490s dropping back to 100Mbps. Even if it was set to 1Gb.
 
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