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Discussion in 'Sports Arena' started by currantloaf, Jul 18, 2014.

  1. Jimbeam3678

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    Nope still 5 hours :p
     
  2. robfosters

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    How does that work then?
     
  3. Jimbeam3678

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    I guess the Americans put their clocks forward as well ? I just checked timeanddate.com and you put the required month in to check. :)
     
  4. Smit

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    Just like anyone else he could have faced then.
    No one he could have faced would do anything for his resume. Outside of fighting Wilder or Fury the heavyweight division is seriously lacking contenders.
     
  5. viathinair

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    ^ I haven't watched Pulev in a few years but maybe he would've been better than Miller, and I think a rematch with Whyte would be at least decent if he's motivated and not just looking for the payday. Still, they would only slightly boost his resume at most; yeah, Fury and Wilder are the only ones that would significantly enhance his resume. Ideally Joshua fights both Fury and Wilder within the next 18 months (and perhaps rematches), as the division could really use that.
     
  6. Smit

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    Pulev would have been good but only to get his mandatory out of the way (I believe Pulev is still the IBF mandatory) but he's looked horrible in his past few fights.
    Whyte hasn't exactly looked good recently either, was losing to Chisora until he knocked him out, scraped past Parker and the shape Browne showed up in was terrible.
    Ortiz looked decent against Wilder but horrible in his few fights before that.

    Miller is at least an unknown quantity at the moment, may be decent but who knows with his level of opponents so far. Can't see it lasting long or doing anything for Joshua's reputation but as far as a contest goes, it potentially would be a better fight than the 3 above (Miller at least is active).
    It's purely a marketing exercise to get Joshua to be better known in the US and part of that DAZN deal.
     
  7. viathinair

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    Yeah, didn't know that about Pulev. As for Whyte, I still think if he's very motivated and reasonably fitter (and IIRC he had a bad shoulder or something in the Joshua fight) it'd be decent, partly based on him and Joshua having genuine "beef", I believe, whereas with Whyte-Chisora it seemed fake and the fights themselves were so sloppy based on their combined styles IMO - I'm no expert though. Ortiz is just too old and looked good against Wilder simply because Wilder lacks on fundamentals, but of course his power is legit and I want to see how it does against Joshua.

    I don't keep up with the politics/money, but I certainly hope Miller is a stepping stone to a better fight for Joshua.
     
  8. ThestigGT999

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  10. Supr3me

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    Fury announces deal with ESPN for broadcasting in the US and extended deal with BTSport for UK.

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/47280228

    Still no word on the rematch with Wilder though.

    YOU BIG DOSSER!
     
  11. viathinair

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    Can't see how that deal is good for the division. Yes, cross-platform fights, such as Lewis-Tyson and Mayweather-Pacquiao, have been made in the past, but they required huge, world-wide demand. I think it's very possible now that Fury/Wilder/Joshua never fight each other (again in the case of Fury-Wilder).

    IIRC it's:

    Hearn: Joshua, Chisora, Takam, Povetkin, Hrgovic, Whyte?*
    Warren/Arum: Fury, Pulev, Jennings, Rivas, Ruiz
    Haymon: Wilder, Breazeale, Kownacki, Joyce.
    (*Whyte may switch platforms (probably to Haymon) if Hearn doesn't offer him a better deal than the one Whyte saw as insulting a few months ago and quickly turned down.)

    I can see each platform keeping everything in-house i.e. no platform co-operation. Grim thought, as that would **** the division just when it seemed to be getting good.
     
  12. Jimbeam3678

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    Ultimately money talks the fights will happened. If the boxers themselves want it.
     
  13. viathinair

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    Yeah, my post was obviously skeptical, from a fan perspective. Fury-Wilder rematch is the most likely to happen, though Fury's deal may put it off for a while as I think ESPN will want a nice safe showcase fight for Fury's debut with them. However, while Haymon might work with Warren or Hearn at different times, I really doubt Warren and Hearn will work together, and I don't think the boxers will be too bothered. My main hope was/is that Fury/Wilder/Joshua all fight each other, with a few rematches too, as that would be great for the division - but that hope has faded now, though not totally.

    Edit: I forgot Haymon and Arum (who is sided with Warren) dislike each other. And that Hearn and Joshua have implied that they don't want to face Fury, e.g. after the Fury-Wilder fight, Joshua called out Wilder but not Fury, and Hearn said Fury would be a "boring" fight for Joshua. IMO Fury would clearly outbox Joshua and make him look foolish at times, hence both Hearn and Joshua don't want Fury - but if Fury had the WBC belt and wasn't tied to ESPN (a rival of DAZN, which Joshua is tied to), it'd be a lot harder for them to avoid Fury.

    But I'm thinking too far ahead / speculating too much :p
     
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  14. nicktay2605

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    It's messed up that boxers and their promoters can negotiate their own deals with TV networks. Imo any and all deals should be done between the networks and the boxing federations, who can then offer an increased purse based on those deals. Allowing boxers to negotiate deals just makes arranging fights across networks and promotions much harder and means fighters can more easily duck each other.

    I thought boxing had potentially turned a bit of a corner with regards to fighters avoiding each other, but with talk that Wilder vs Fury might be harder to arrange because of Fury's ESPN deal and no sign of Joshua fighting either of them, it's not looking great with regards the big heavyweight fights people want to see.
     
  15. robfosters

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    Doesn’t Hearn have Usyk as well? He’s gonna be a huge draw over the next couple of years.
     
  16. viathinair

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    I didn't include him since he hasn't established himself at heavyweight. Time will tell how good he is there.
     
  17. robfosters

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    Even without establishing himself, his fights will be a huge draw because of his pedigree.
     
  18. viathinair

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    Yeah, Usyk vs Joshua would be huge regardless. All Sky have to do is mention their undefeated records and show his KO of Bellew over and over again.
     
  19. David Flett

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    What’s everyone’s thoughts on Joshua v Miller? Just watched there first press conference think millers just trying to hype it up shoving Joshua straight from the off,testing the waters!
    If fury was speaking straight he knocked him down 7 times in sparring then sent him packing!
    Be a good American debut for him I think and a good route to wilder hopefully, since fury signed his TV deal the rematch could be off the cards for a while he’ll likely have a few walk overs first to make him look good for them first.
     
  20. The_One

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    Crolla vs lomanchenko in april in america as lomachenkos opponent pulled out

    Wow, crollas gonna get hurt