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Bringing boxing back from the dead? HA
Definitely the former. I like a lot of names on the card and while I would rather some different fights on the card I’ll still find enjoyment there.
I don’t understand what is a contradiction here? Regis was stumbling around waiting to be finished in round 7 or 8. Haney didn’t and was disciplined and stuck to his gameplan which was to obviously nullify Prograis’ strengths. Which he did.
That’s not what I think at all. I think the fact Haney caused Regis to set the record of lowest amount of connected punches in a 12 round fight is extremely impressive. It wasn’t that he wasn’t showing shots, he wasn’t landing then. It was something like 36 punches landed from Regis over the entire fight. It’s not like Regis is some chump either.
I’m exaggerating when I say he shouldn’t have been at the weight. I know people boil down and weight bully but to rehydrate 25 pounds is a lot more than what usually happens. I’m more on about the point he had hardly any pop in his punches until this fight now he is at a better weight which I think suits him more than the weight he was undisputed at.
Cool. I disagree and I’m not going to try and change your mind
Out of interest. What in your mind is a master class in boxing? I want to see what you have as that standard
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You are not on his training staff and privy to his game plan so please don't state that as a fact, it's just speculation on your part.
I am not trying to change your mind, just calling as I/others see it.
I don't know what is a 'masterclass' in boxing is? Sounds like people trying to be more knowledgeable about boxing than they really are..
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He literally stated that in his post fight conference… Whatever. It’s going no where. You didn’t enjoy it, it’s all good.
You don’t know what a masterclass in boxing is but you can confidently say that bout wasn’t? You can’t provide a fight where it should’ve been fairly even turned into a shut out? I’d argue that this year Spence vs Crawford was Bud putting on an exceptional performance. This is right up there with that
You don’t know what a masterclass in boxing is but you can confidently say that bout wasn’t? You can’t provide a fight where it should’ve been fairly even turned into a shut out? I’d argue that this year Spence vs Crawford was Bud putting on an exceptional performance. This is right up there with that
Are you are that naïve? Also post fight conference so after the fight lol
You sound like you are just parroting commentators mumbo jumbo 'masterclass' ok what is the standard? is there any defining criteria? or is it just subjective?
And comparing the Crawford fight to the Haney one come on lets not be silly now..
And again It's not about styles or enjoyment It's about skill and I've shown you some evidence to counter your claims and show why he is nothing special if you choose to dismiss that's on you.
RIP Showtime Boxing After nearly 4 decades in the game, It comes as no surprise seeing what the sport has degenerated into as it is today..
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Showtime exiting boxing after nearly 4 decades
Showtime, which has been a fixture in the sport's programming for 37 years and aired some of the game's biggest fights, will exit boxing programming at the end of 2023.
I don't really count those videos as 'evidence' of anything.
I'm done with this conversation. I think it was a sublime performance and he demonstrated the aspects of boxing which I like the most. Hit and don't get hit. Where did I compare the Hanye fight to the Spence/Crawford fight? I said there is an argument that fight was also a Masterclass because Crawford made spence look beyond average in that ring and Spence clearly isn't average.
You don't like that and if you want to try and view that as nothing special, that's on you. I don't care that much, it's run it's course.
I'm done with this conversation. I think it was a sublime performance and he demonstrated the aspects of boxing which I like the most. Hit and don't get hit. Where did I compare the Hanye fight to the Spence/Crawford fight? I said there is an argument that fight was also a Masterclass because Crawford made spence look beyond average in that ring and Spence clearly isn't average.
You don't like that and if you want to try and view that as nothing special, that's on you. I don't care that much, it's run it's course.
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Again it's not about what I 'like' or styles but skill and your in your feelings about your boy but hey you do you..
He's not 'my boy' I just respect good boxing. I've no idea why you want to get personal over a flipping boxing take. It's not even a wild boxing take as the majority of boxing fans are impressed by Haney's performance and your opinion of it being unimpressive is an outlier. I guess everyone who was impressed, even his peers like Shakur had to admit he performed well but what do they all know? Pooley on OCUK knows right and everyone else who thinks it was an impressive performance DKSAB.
At this point I feel like you're just trolling me for no point what so ever. You say it's not a masterclass, I ask you to provide an example of what you see as a masterclass/exceptional example of boxing and you refuse to do so instead making a snide comment about it being something someone does just pretending to know about boxing.
The videos I have shown that contradicts what you have claimed a 'masterclass' which I presume is something special your words not mine have been dismissed/ignored so why should I provide anymore? you have provided none..
I am not getting personal, You have decided to take it personally, I don't know you. Your posts come across that way..
I have asked you to clarify what constitutes a 'masterclass' which you have failed to do so? and expect me to determine it anyway..
And now your using an appeal to consensus fallacy to try to back yourself without providing any evidence.
The more you post the more it looks like it's you who does not know what they are looking at when it comes to boxing, maybe because you are new to it IDK or care
Like you say it has run it's course..
The videos where they're taken from one view point? The Haney/Loma fight was a close fight that went the way of Haney. Loma taking the final round off sealed it. He had himself to blame. I don't need to watch a breakdown to see what I saw with my own eyes. It was a close fight, Haney put in good bodywork, Loma had the better headshots. Had Loma not taken the final round off he would've won the fight.
Saying it is a 'robbery' is not true.
Sky have the full fight up. It's a fantastic high level fight that could've went either way and I expect most people wouldn't be upset with a draw. I wouldn't have been.
(Edit: sort of arguing with myself here. Just realised you never mentioned a robbery)
It's certainly coming across that way. Assuming I'm new to the sport, assuming I am naive, assuming Haney is 'my boy' or that I am pretending to know more about a sport I've followed for near on 20 years. Maybe I am being a bit sensitive with what's going on in my life at the moment but it's certainly coming across like you have an axe to grind with how I viewed a fight.
If that isn't your intention then i apologise but from my side it feels like you're going off on me for no reason. I don't post with an attitude to people because that isn't how I talk to people in every day life. I've been respectful to you whereas it feels like that isn't the same for you. Either way if I've got the wrong end of the stick, apologies.
I explained it in my post why I believe he put on a masterclass. To avoid all doubt. I view boxing as essentially the art of hitting and not getting hit. Haney demonstrated that to perfection on the weekend.
- It was his first fight at 140. He didn't have a fight to get used to the weight but instead went and faced the 2nd best champion in the division. He could've went the Romero route for the WBA title but that would've been viewed as an obvious easy touch. I will say that out of Lopez and Prograis, Prograis was probably the easier fight but it's not like he took the easiest opponent for a title at the weight.
- It was the first time that I have seen Haney actually look like he didn't have pillows for fists. I assume this is because he was no longer cutting weight down to 135. When I said he shouldn't have been fighting at 135 I didn't mean literally and I am all aware that fighters boil down (It's part of the reason I believe fight-day weigh ins should be the mandatory and not the day before. IBF have this right) to lower weights and 'weight bully'. At 140 he didn't look like a corpse on the scales and on fight night he weighed in at 165lbs. It just shows that he was really boiling down to 135 when he should've moved up ages ago. But being at a more comfortable weight he was able to punch harder. Prior to this fight, for me, it came down to whether or not he could handle Regis' power. I never factored in if Regis could handle his. He shown me something I didn't realise he had in him. Ever since the Linares fight, post-fight in the dressing room when he was asking Linares how his power was. It's obvious that he knew it was lacking.
He managed to drop Regis and in the 7th, or 8th, round he had him stumbling around on Queer street and if he wanted to he could've pressed the action and got him out of there. It doesn't take a genius to see that he didn't rush in and try to finish him. He boxed to a plan.
- Over a 12 round fight Haney caused Prograis to only land 36 punches from 363 thrown. 5 Jabs and 31 power punches an embarrassing 10%. Compared to Haney who landed 49 jabs and 80 power punches. If the aim is to hit and not get hit, he shown that skill. Every time he was in the pocket he would duck and pivot out. He was faster both with his feet and hands.
Those are the reasons I see it as a masterclass and if you have an issue with me describing it as a masterclass then I will describe it as on of the performances from a fighter this year. On paper it was a better performance than Crawford/Spence but the stakes were much higher for Crawford/Spence so I put that as fight of the year. Plus, what may shock you, Crawford is the closest thing to being 'my boy' so I favour that fight anyway.
Regardless. He performed exceptionally and I believe you'd have to be really stubborn or completely agaisnt Haney as an individual to not give credit where credit is due. What are your reasons for thinking it isn't a brilliant performance? This isn't me being argumentative this is me being genuinely curious as to what you like to see when you watch boxers. You weren't impressed with how he managed the range? His footwork? Counter punching? Ability to slip punches? What was it that you saw that you thought "yeah, average at best?"
Will I go back and watch this fight as much as say Mayweather vs Canelo? Doubtful. I just believe in giving fighters credit where it is due. Even if I don't necessarily like the fighter as an individual I'll always respect them as an athlete and give them their fair do's.
I've given my points. Feel free to counter them or just move on from this discussion. If you have an problem with how I view fights then put me on ignore. I don't claim to be a pugilist professor I'm just a fan with his own takes from what I see.
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Gutted for Sunny last night, goes under the radar for how skilled he is and can come across as a great character. He's great on commentary as well, I can definitely see him being a regular with broadcasting in the future.
Rodriguez is just a bit of a monster in that division though, every bit as skilled, but has the reach and power to go with it as well, he's gonna be a force for a long time, still only young as well.
Rodriguez is just a bit of a monster in that division though, every bit as skilled, but has the reach and power to go with it as well, he's gonna be a force for a long time, still only young as well.
Another I'm a troll comment, it's really is not necessary and quite frankly ignorant.
I made a counter argument to his claims with video evidence to support it but he ignored it without even giving me the courtesy of an explanation as to why.
Now I know why, It's only one point of view.. So in his mind it's irrelevant/not important regardless if it was right or wrong, and you wonder why it gave me the impression he is fanboying..
He also ignored my follow up questions and still expects me to provide more evidence whilst also appealing to consensus fallacy in a childish manner try to shame me. He is still doing that with the sky video and his novel he has put the time and effort into posting.
Whatever.. Have I come into his playground and stole his sweets or something? He is welcome to his echo chamber.
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Agreed! Under the radar for sure but his lack of punching power goes against him.
He gave it his all in real fight and you cannot ask for more, Rodriguez is just a cut above unfortunately.
Sunny as a future pundit would be good as he is a character, I have seen a picture of his face in the hospital post fight and it's pretty busted up.. Wishing him a speedy recovery!
Cheers, though I wouldn't call myself the authority on anything! I get more calls wrong than I get right. Certainly wouldn't advise anyone to put money on my boxing takes! Another hot take I have coming up is I wouldn't be shocked if Parker beats Wilder this weekend. Don't bet the house on it though
Caught up with this in the morning. I can barely stay up past 11 these days so unless it's a mega fight and I get a nap in, i stand no chance.
Was quite sure Sunny was going to do the business on Rodriguez. That's probably my ignorance on my part of not really following the lower weights other than Inoue. I always thought Edwards was one of the best skilled fighters we had in the UK even though he lacks KO power he has all the other skills in his locker. So I was expecting him to win a SD, surprised to see what Bam did to him. His jab was like a ram rod and after the fight Sunny's face was so badly marked up.
Brilliant fight though and Edwards' character is hard not to be a fan of. Took the loss, congratulated the opponent and still took time to take the **** out of himself on twitter. He'll be back for sure.
Let it go, it's not that deep. It's just one fight out of a great year and we've still got another great event on the 23rd and an Inoue fight to look forward to on boxing day.
I apologise if you took whatever I said in any other way than me just wanting to talk boxing or not respecting your right to a different opinion. We don't agree with each other on this particular bout but that's a bit of a mountain out a molehill in the grand scheme of things, isn't it?
No doubt we'll have more disagreements in the future but there's also going to be times where we may, shockingly, agree! It's only sport at the end of the day and one we clearly both love.
Though, if you disagree that Canelo vs GGG 1 was daylight robbery, well I'm more than happy to write a few novellas on that about why you're wrong (again)
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You are one of the most regular contributor on this thread and I've always found your points well made.Cheers, though I wouldn't call myself the authority on anything! I get more calls wrong than I get right. Certainly wouldn't advise anyone to put money on my boxing takes! Another hot take I have coming up is I wouldn't be shocked if Parker beats Wilder this weekend. Don't bet the house on it though
I get where you are coming from with Parker. He's durable, has been a world champion and still needs the money. Wilder's inactivity is a concern despite the huge equalizer he has. He's fought less than one round in about two years. It's certainly worth a punt if the odds are decent.
Joshua should have too much for Wallin but it's another southpaw fighter who prefers to be on the back foot and we saw how he struggled against Franklin. AJ's third fight with the current trainer Derrick James so you would hope to see an impact of that continuity.
Dubois vs Miller is an interesting fight. I'm not convinced Dubois isn't a little bit mentally fragile. His Usyk stoppage was slightly odd and followed the Joyce quit, albeit he did have a fractured eye socket!
This is a PPV I'll pay for. It's £20 and you can choose between DAZN or TNT. Prob go with DZN as Mike Costello will be doing the comms.
Yeah, we've no idea what Wilder has left after those beatdowns Fury put on him and we've seen him for less than 3 minutes in over 2 years. I think on paper this would probably be Wilder's best win? I don't really rate Ortiz that much (His best wins are Jennings and David Allen....) so if Wilder beats Parker it will be only his second win over a current/former world champion. That's assuming his fight with Stirverne was for a vacant WBC belt or not, can't remember and can't be bothered to check boxrec.
Parker can move, has fast hands and fast feet. Not sure how durable he is after that hard fight with Joe Joyce but styles make fights. I like Parker so wouldn't be upset if he wins but I do want to see AJ vs Wilder.
He's actually with Ben Davidson for this fight. Yes, the same Ben Davidson that got Fury back in shape. Supposedly it was because DJ had to focus on Ryan Garcia's fight so he needed someone in camp but. Will be interesting to see what
AJ should fine Wallin to be easy work. If you've just gone 24 rounds with Usyk any other southpaw should feel like light work compared. But it's heavyweights and it's different AJ than the one of the past. It's going to be an interesting first few rounds.
Going to be interesting to see what happens with the trainer situation. I kinda wish he stayed with Garcia but it seems they had a falling out.
Physically he is like a man but mentally it’s almost like he is a little boy. He strikes me as someone who has all the physical attributes to succeed in boxing but not the mental side? I’ve no idea about his family but it seems it’s a classic case of the father pushing something onto their child. Mind you, his sister looks like she has the mental side which he is lacking.
I don’t like Costello for one reason or another. Now Adam Smith has left Sky I wouldn’t mind him getting into DAZN. He has such an iconic voice
“COULD THIS BE THE MAN?!”
“THERE’S THE RESPECT”
“LIFT OFF FOR AJ”
Proper cool voice for capturing those big moments
Argh... IBF. I always say you're the best of a bad bunch but they've dropped the ball here...
On one hand, I get it. Zorro shouldn't be in the ring with Jai especially not for a belt on the line (but it's on the line in name only. No one is touching Jai) but it seems they already agreed a date to fight Briedis so this should've been seen no more than a stay busy fight.
But I'm glad he's sticking to the card because I'm really looking forward to watching him and Bivol.
I do feel bad for the rest of the cruiserweight division though. Surely they all know that they're just keeping Jai's belts warm. To me, no one looks like they're causing him issues. I think he may be on the smaller side for the current crop of heavyweights but I thought the same about Usyk and his going through the division like a hot knife in butter.
On one hand, I get it. Zorro shouldn't be in the ring with Jai especially not for a belt on the line (but it's on the line in name only. No one is touching Jai) but it seems they already agreed a date to fight Briedis so this should've been seen no more than a stay busy fight.
But I'm glad he's sticking to the card because I'm really looking forward to watching him and Bivol.
I do feel bad for the rest of the cruiserweight division though. Surely they all know that they're just keeping Jai's belts warm. To me, no one looks like they're causing him issues. I think he may be on the smaller side for the current crop of heavyweights but I thought the same about Usyk and his going through the division like a hot knife in butter.