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Lets go Usyk!! I expect it to be even more conclusive than last time.

@Chris C - I don't think it's a super fight in that sense but I bet it would still sell out Wembley. I'm still interested to see it happen even if they're both coming from losses.
 
Gregvivi0401 said:
I am interested to see this why not they avoided each other for a while now.
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I think that's why I'm not that excited for it, and it seems to be a boxing thing where the big names avoid each other for so long to have these super fights and sometimes, like I think Fury Vs Joshua, they do it for so long it loses the appeal it had when they were both at the top. Joshua has 4(?) losses now
 
Yeah, they always want to make a fight marinate but ends up going too long and overcooking it. It could've been mega a few years ago when it looked like it was happening. Now it's just a fight I want to see as a bookend to their careers.

I love Floyd and he is one of my favourite fighters but there's an argument that he did some nasty work with his emphasis on the 0. So many of these younger generation see how much money he made and that he had the zero and they all try and manoeuvre their career in a way to avoid taking big fights just to protect their 0 so they can be marketed well.

The thing is, and something this young'uns forget/ignore, Floyd fought top competition. Pretty Boy Floyd took tough fights until he became 'him'. They all just want to fight some tomato can for X Million and expect us to suck it up.

It's something I wish we, generally speaking, boxing fans could learn from MMA/UFC. Losses don't mean much, it's just a loss. We are far too quick to write someone off after a couple of losses. It's hard to draw a parallel but imagine if you stopped supporting a football team after they lost 3 times or I suppose a better one would be if a tennis player lost a few grand slam finals, they'd be saying they should retire. I get it's not the same as your health isn't on the line in other sports but the people calling people bums and saying they should retire don't care about the fighters wellbeing either.
 
Junglist said:
Yeah, they always want to make a fight marinate but ends up going too long and overcooking it. It could've been mega a few years ago when it looked like it was happening. Now it's just a fight I want to see as a bookend to their careers.

I love Floyd and he is one of my favourite fighters but there's an argument that he did some nasty work with his emphasis on the 0. So many of these younger generation see how much money he made and that he had the zero and they all try and manoeuvre their career in a way to avoid taking big fights just to protect their 0 so they can be marketed well.

The thing is, and something this young'uns forget/ignore, Floyd fought top competition. Pretty Boy Floyd took tough fights until he became 'him'. They all just want to fight some tomato can for X Million and expect us to suck it up.

It's something I wish we, generally speaking, boxing fans could learn from MMA/UFC. Losses don't mean much, it's just a loss. We are far too quick to write someone off after a couple of losses. It's hard to draw a parallel but imagine if you stopped supporting a football team after they lost 3 times or I suppose a better one would be if a tennis player lost a few grand slam finals, they'd be saying they should retire. I get it's not the same as your health isn't on the line in other sports but the people calling people bums and saying they should retire don't care about the fighters wellbeing either.
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Yeah agreed, like with football the previous 5 results are good to look at. Doesn't matter if someone has 4 losses but then won 5 in a row.

With Joshua especially, it feels as though every time he wins it's super hyped up, he's back, he's gonna dominate, and then he gets KO'd and it's deflating.
 
I did read an interesting comment on BBC about how different the Russians train their boxers, lots of amateurs fights where they get used to losing and therefore it's not a big deal in the pros (like Bivol) and also means they're well prepped to hit the pro ranks unlike many Europeans.

I think it's different with AJ, he hasn't looked the same since the Ruiz loss, it really did something to him, mentally and probably physically too.
 
I don't think it has anything to do with how the fighters are trained up. The issue are the fans. You lose once or twice, regardless of who the competition was, and you're called a bum.

With regards to AJ. I'll just parrot what Hatman said about him. He was rushed too fast and didn't have a proper chance to develop as a fighter. Limited amateur experience and a world champion in his 16th(?) fight. I think it's actually a testament to him that he was able to be at the level he was in spite of his lack of experience.
 
Junglist said:
I don't think it has anything to do with how the fighters are trained up. The issue are the fans. You lose once or twice, regardless of who the competition was, and you're called a bum.

With regards to AJ. I'll just parrot what Hatman said about him. He was rushed too fast and didn't have a proper chance to develop as a fighter. Limited amateur experience and a world champion in his 16th(?) fight. I think it's actually a testament to him that he was able to be at the level he was in spite of his lack of experience.
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Fans and media aside, doesn't your point about AJ not developing agree with my point about Russians doing lots of amateur fights, and therefore developing?
 
Gotta love Usyk dressed as Hitman Agent 47, love the Trololol

AJ has had a manufactured carefully managed career Ruiz notwithstanding, Tyson's is similar no wonder they avoided each other.

A little scrutiny of their resume's shows this.

Junglist does bring up a good point about AJ's rushed career.

Usyk on the other hand was dropped by Hearn but has 250 amateur fights etc but does not have the marketability like AJ so he was fast tracked..

I agree with GarethSouthgate on this point.

Boxing is a business and the promoters are greedy barstewards...
 
GarethSouthgate said:
Fans and media aside, doesn't your point about AJ not developing agree with my point about Russians doing lots of amateur fights, and therefore developing?
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Not really. Well, I took your original point to mean that because they have a longer amateur career and are more likely to experience losses they handle losses better. I think most would handle defeats 'well'. It goes without saying a longer amateur career is going to put you in good stead in the professional ranks. Most highly decorated amateurs go on to have decent pro careers.

Conversely, Cuba has an outstanding Amateur program, they actually work closely with Russia, but the pros who have managed to defect haven't exactly set the world on fire. Rigo was a beast though.

Either way, my point is that we as fans should probably stop the "he's a bum cause he lost" narrative that some quarters spin.

Jimbeam3678 said:
I don’t think he was rushed, more the klitchko fight was makeable and they took a calculated risk and it paid off.
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Eddie smelt an opportunity for a pound note. It did pay off, until it didn't. Realistically he had 16 learning fights, cause Charles was trash lol, then he was in the deep end with the sharks. Could've had a good opportunity to take some learning fights after the Ruiz loss but they both wanted to get right back in
 
pooley said:
Gotta love Usyk dressed as Hitman Agent 47, love the Trololol

AJ has had a manufactured carefully managed career Ruiz notwithstanding, Tyson's is similar no wonder they avoided each other.

A little scrutiny of their resume's shows this.

Junglist does bring up a good point about AJ's rushed career.

Usyk on the other hand was dropped by Hearn but has 250 amateur fights etc but does not have the marketability like AJ so he was fast tracked..

I agree with GarethSouthgate on this point.

Boxing is a business and the promoters are greedy barstewards...
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I genuinely don't know how anyone could dislike Usyk. Just seems like a cool dude. Maybe some of it is lost in translation but I just like how he comes across. No silly theatrics or have to act like a tough guy to build a fight. He takes the short end of the stick to get the deals made. You have to love it
 
I don't think many true fans think less of boxers for losing but there should be more best of three fights so boxers do get a chance to overcome their loss.

The media is the worst, culturally in the US they're all about winning at any cost. Here the media either blow smoke up someone or kick/stomp them when they're down. This isn't unique to boxers though, I say that as a Manchester United fan :)
 
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