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Rids said:
The refereeing in the Cain fight was a disgrace though, and certainly made Cains night a hell of a lot easier. That cut was squirting so much blood that Silva would not have been able to see at all, or breathe, and Josh Rosenthal is just standing back and letting Cain beat on him. Disgusting.
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Agreed, the ref had a shocker. Should've been ended MUCH earlier.

Still, great performance by Cain, complete domination.

Glad to see Hardy finally pick up another win, met him in Vegas at the UFC100 fan expo and he was a genuinely sound guy.

Good night of fights and finishes.
 
McBain said:
Glad to see Hardy finally pick up another win, met him in Vegas at the UFC100 fan expo and he was a genuinely sound guy.

Good night of fights and finishes.
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I haven't had that pleasure but I can believe it; having read some of his writings he is obviously intelligent and I share many of his opinions.

And yes it was a great card, as witnessed by the fact that they gave extra KotN and SotN bonuses rather than a FotN bonus; good choice in my opinion, with so many finishes there were plenty to choose from and no obvious FotN candidates since most fights were quick beatdowns.
 
McBain said:
Agreed, the ref had a shocker. Should've been ended MUCH earlier.

Still, great performance by Cain, complete domination.

Glad to see Hardy finally pick up another win, met him in Vegas at the UFC100 fan expo and he was a genuinely sound guy.

Good night of fights and finishes.
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I disagree, the doc looked at it and bigfoot said he was ok to carry on, there isn't much more they can do than that.

He was still moving and defending himself, I thought the stoppage and reffing was fine.
 
Dunno that's a tough call. It was effective blindness but he was still trying to defend...

Doc says it was good and Silva wanted to continue so imo it was a decent call.
 
Dkore-DeX said:
I disagree, the doc looked at it and bigfoot said he was ok to carry on, there isn't much more they can do than that.

He was still moving and defending himself, I thought the stoppage and reffing was fine.
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I thought it was good also. He was clearly alert and defending himself. The ref jumped in when the the more harder eblows and punches where finding their home and he started to look dazed.
 
Cracking set of fights - best for a while.

good win for Hardy, Great win by Struve. Got to love Nelson - good stoppage IMHO.

Cain looked super focused for that fight and it sure was a total bloody bath indeed! No problems with the refereeing in this fight - Doc said continue - Bigfoot was ok to move on - fight stopped at the right time - just looked worse with all the blood.

JDS - what a guy - always happy to see Mir knocked on his ass!!

Bring on JDS v Cain Mk 2!

Great card all round.
 
Dkore-DeX said:
I disagree, the doc looked at it and bigfoot said he was ok to carry on, there isn't much more they can do than that.

He was still moving and defending himself, I thought the stoppage and reffing was fine.
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He was never going to say "I can't see" .....you could see, immediately after them wiping his eyes that the blood was going straight back in his eyes, he even asked them to wipe his eyes again just before stepping away.

You could tell on the floor he could barely see as well, he was continuously shaking his head to try and clear the blood off, not to mention Cain was landing with virtually every attempt. Personally I wouldn't say he was defending himself intelligently, more like flailing his arms around hoping to block the shots.

The fighter was never going to ask them to stop it, in my opinion, the decision should have been taken out of his hands by the doctor. Sometimes the fighters can be too "tough" for their own good, look at guys like Barboza who were all over the place but saying they could have continued? That's when things start to get dangerous.

I appreciate that you never want to see a doctor stoppage, I didn't either, but I think i'd have understood it in those circumstances. Silva just ended up taking another minute and a half of punishment that wasn't necessary.

On another note, anyone know what happened with Miller backstage?
 
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He wasn't getting completely annihilated at any point though, even if he couldn't see he was defending himself.

You see way worse gnp stoppages on people who can see.

It was more of an overwhelmed sort of stoppage, if he had of been able to get up he could well have changed the momentum of that fight, the problem was he was on the bottom, had he been standing or on top the blood wouldn't have been such an issue.
 
Regarding the bigfoot fight.

I think it should have been stopped but not until it had been restarted. When the doctor asked "can you see?" of course he could, he'd just wiped the blood out of his eyes.

You can do BJJ with your eyes closed, sure but there is no way he would have seen any of Cains punches. He was basically holding his guard up and moving his hips.

I've always read the rules as "you can't see, you can't fight".


Dkore-DeX said:
the problem was he was on the bottom, had he been standing or on top the blood wouldn't have been such an issue.
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I agree with you there but he was on his back and he wasn't getting up.
 
Rumour is he had a verbal altercation with some UFC staff, shouted at Dolloway about losing the decision and then left.

That's all I can find on the UG.
 
Dkore-DeX said:
He wasn't getting completely annihilated at any point though, even if he couldn't see he was defending himself.

You see way worse gnp stoppages on people who can see.

It was more of an overwhelmed sort of stoppage, if he had of been able to get up he could well have changed the momentum of that fight, the problem was he was on the bottom, had he been standing or on top the blood wouldn't have been such an issue.
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Think we'll have to agree to disagree on the defensive side, I wouldn't call what he was doing defending himself, certainly not intelligently as Cain was landing at will, big, heavy shots.

I agree had he been able to get the fight to the feet the blood wouldn't have been as big an issue, but he didn't even look remotely close to being able to do that at any point. The ref should have seen that, and stepped in earlier.

Complete domination from Cain.

Dkore-DeX said:
Rumour is he had a verbal altercation with some UFC staff, shouted at Dolloway about losing the decision and then left.

That's all I can find on the UG.
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I read this, if true seems to coincide with what they're saying on the UG. http://www.mmaopinion.co.uk/2012/05...-happened-with-mayhem-backstage-after-ufc-146
 
Dkore-DeX said:
I disagree, the doc looked at it and bigfoot said he was ok to carry on, there isn't much more they can do than that.

He was still moving and defending himself, I thought the stoppage and reffing was fine.
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I would argue that it was the referees job to protect the fighter, even from himself. As much as Bigfoot Silva might have thought he was ok to continue, you could see that he was having a real issue with blood in his eyes, and although he was defending himself it certainly wasn't intelligently - more throwing his arms up, shifting around and praying!
 
Rids said:
more throwing his arms up, shifting around and praying!
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That's Bigfoot's standard defence isn't it???? :p

More to the point, what's with the JDS vs Mir fight carrying on after Mir cant even identify which venue he's fighting in!!???!!

Why bother asking the question if the fight is gonna continue regardless???
 
StevieP said:
That's Bigfoot's standard defence isn't it???? :p

More to the point, what's with the JDS vs Mir fight carrying on after Mir cant even identify which venue he's fighting in!!???!!

Why bother asking the question if the fight is gonna continue regardless???
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I actually didn't pick up that he got the wrong venue until I watched the post fight presser, pretty funny that he said the Mandalay :p
 
ad said:
Sure he was fine. The venue you're fighting in would be the last thing on your mind. He did get the date right, lol.
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Fair point and I think he was OK to continue too but it makes you wonder what answer he'd have had to have said to get the fight stopped!!! :p

"erm, it's April 22nd 1967 and I'm in Timbuctu"

"OK, he's fine to carry on!" :p
 
It happens a lot, i've seen fighters forgetting rounds and thinking they still got 1 round left at the end of the third.
 
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