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Kenai said:
Rubbish - it's this sort of build up that puts certain fights on a level above other big fights, be it in MMA or boxing, or any other combat sport.

If there hadn't been months and months of the call outs, the taunts etc. this fight wouldn't have anywhere near the buzz it has now - it would just be yet another title fight between two big names, like you get every few cards.
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Sure, I agree, to some extent (perhaps my last statement was a bit blunt).

There is a limit though and there is absolutely no need to insult a whole nation, regardless of whether it is under the banner of comedy or fight build up.

I think the aura around this fight is more about the previous fight than it is to do with the **** talking. It was never going to be just another title fight after what happened last time.
 
sigma said:
I think the aura around this fight is more about the previous fight than it is to do with the **** talking. It was never going to be just another title fight after what happened last time.
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I don't agree really - if Sonnen had just said 'meh, I reckon I should have won and i'd like rematch but whatever, these things happen' and left it at that, this fight would have nowhere near the hype. It'd just be another rematch between a couple of good fighters.

The way this whole thing has panned out, polarised fans, got people really invested in the outcome, chomping at the bit to see this - that's all come from this theatrical build up IMO, not just the fact the first fight was good and Sonnen nearly beat Silva. Hell, the UFC have produced a whole little cartoon series for this fight - i've never seen them do that before!
 
Kenai said:
I don't agree really - if Sonnen had just said 'meh, I reckon I should have won and i'd like rematch but whatever, these things happen' and left it at that, this fight would have nowhere near the hype. It'd just be another rematch between a couple of good fighters.

The way this whole thing has panned out, polarised fans, got people really invested in the outcome, chomping at the bit to see this - that's all come from this theatrical build up IMO, not just the fact the first fight was good and Sonnen nearly beat Silva. Hell, the UFC have produced a whole little cartoon series for this fight - i've never seen them do that before!
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It's also got none mma fans interested in it. Few people in work want to watch it and they never seen an mma bout
 
is Omaeka for real jesus? Sonnen is average at best. Didn't Bisping get out of every single take down from Sonnen? Didn't he look rather flat against Stann? Calling a silva a fake? I am pretty sure you can not fake what he has done. I don't know who is worse. You or Sonnen, I can see why you are such a fan, come from the same school of thought it appears. Maybe someone left a submission on Sonnen to long and cut off to much oxygen to his head. As someone else already says, Sonnen portrays the stereo typical American. Over the top, arrogant, ignorant and disrespectful.
He insults an entire country, he insults Silvas family and people get hyped up by his rubbish?
Anyone read mmamania? They had a good section on this. Sonnen does it to build a brand, to keep him interesting and relevant. The guy is a moron. Even if he beats Silva he is and never will be anywhere near that level.
I guess it has worked in building the fight up but only because I hope that Sonnen retires if he loses like he said all that time ago. When questioned on it again not so long ago he seemed to go back on his statement.
Sonnen is a real life troll.
If he wins then fair enough but I already can not stand the thought of that smug moron already it will be horrible to listen and watch him until a rematch happens. The dude already walks around with a fake belt pretending he is the 'real' champion already.
 
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FeFiDoh said:
is Omaeka for real jesus? Sonnen is average at best. Didn't Bisping get out of every single take down from Sonnen? Didn't he look rather flat against Stann? Calling a silva a fake? I am pretty sure you can not fake what he has done. I don't know who is worse. You or Sonnen, I can see why you are such a fan, come from the same school of thought it appears. Maybe someone left a submission on Sonnen to long and cut off to much oxygen to his head. As someone else already says, Sonnen portrays the stereo typical American. Over the top, arrogant, ignorant and disrespectful.
He insults an entire country, he insults Silvas family and people get hyped up by his rubbish?
Anyone read mmamania? They had a good section on this. Sonnen does it to build a brand, to keep him interesting and relevant. The guy is a moron. Even if he beats Silva he is and never will be anywhere near that level.
I guess it has worked in building the fight up but only because I hope that Sonnen retires if he loses like he said all that time ago. When questioned on it again not so long ago he seemed to go back on his statement.
Sonnen is a real life troll.
If he wins then fair enough but I already can not stand the thought of that smug moron already it will be horrible to listen and watch him until a rematch happens. The dude already walks around with a fake belt pretending he is the 'real' champion already.
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You've obviously taken the belt stunt Sonnen pulled seriously, I'm pretty sure it was Sonnen's way of saying 'hey, I beat the **** out of this guy, I made him my ***** and he got lucky in the last minute, I'm the actual champ'.

I think you should seriously stop fondling Silva's nuts, he isn't as great as people say, I've known this for years, he just constantly gets put against people who are easy match ups for his style, the only impressive wins he has are against Hendo & Marqaurdt. His 'win' against Sonnen wasn't even a win.

Also, your Bisping comment shows exactly what you know about this sport, Bisping is one of the best, if not THE best Middleweight fighter on he planet right now, hes so underrated. I can tell already you know nothing about the sport besides the fighters with the belts, and most probably think every MMA fighter sucks compared. I bet you think JDS could outstrike Overeem, or that he'll get lucky against Cain again. Lolol.

If anyone takes Junior's KO over Cain or Silva's submission on Sonnen as serious, respectable, solid 100% the best in the division wins, they know nothing about the sport, at all.
 
Bisping is one of the best middle weight fighters on the planet? Look at his previous wins, hardly glittering is it? He lost to Sonnen, Silva and Henderson. So every time he was put against one of the top in his weight decision he lost.
How was his win not a win? He submitted the guy? I see you post this before. Sonnen got submitted and lost... I am sure that counts as a big fat W.
Cain froze in his fight against JDS, that was the difference. He looked like a rabbit in the headlights and got caught. That wasn't just luck. Silvas submission not serious? Look at Sonnens record you will see just about every single loss he has suffered has been to a submission. So it appears that isn't just bad luck either. 8 out of 11 losses due to a sub. Says it all really.
 
FeFiDoh said:
Bisping is one of the best middle weight fighters on the planet? Look at his previous wins, hardly glittering is it? He lost to Sonnen, Silva and Henderson. So every time he was put against one of the top in his weight decision he lost.
How was his win not a win? He submitted the guy? I see you post this before. Sonnen got submitted and lost... I am sure that counts as a big fat W.
Cain froze in his fight against JDS, that was the difference. He looked like a rabbit in the headlights and got caught. That wasn't just luck. Silvas submission not serious? Look at Sonnens record you will see just about every single loss he has suffered has been to a submission. So it appears that isn't just bad luck either. 8 out of 11 losses due to a sub. Says it all really.
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Bisping is insanely good, yeah he wasn't so hot in the past but hes improved leaps and bounds in the past 2 years alone, he'll be champ by 2014. Sonnen is bad for getting submitted yeah, but why did it take Silva 24 minutes of getting absolutely smashed (one of the most one sided beat downs in MMA history) to get it? The rib excuse is pathetic.

As for JDS vs Cain, watch the rematch, wrestling is the single most dominant skillset in MMA.

Its not just wrestling though, Size & strength > all.

2013:

HW champ - Alistair Overeem (best striker and the physically strongest fighter in the UFC)
LHW champ - Jon Jones (wouldn't mind seeing him get ko'd by Hendo though, just gotta love Hendo)
MW champ - Chael Sonnen ;)
WW champ - Georges St. Pierre (p4p best on the planet, **** Silva)
LW champ - Ben Hendo (just look how bloody big that guy is)

Mark my words. :)

For a look on how strong Sonnen is, all you have to do is look at Yushin Okami, that guys as freaky as Anthony Johnson, and Sonnen trains with (and usually out strengths) Okami on a regular basis.

Almost everyone who Silva has beat had lost before the 1st round even began, Sonnen isn't scared of Silva at all, so Silva is ****ed.

MMAHeat's Karen Bryant joined "UFC Tonight" on Fuel TV as Guest Host of the show with former UFC fighter, MMA Analyst Kenny Florian. UFC middleweight fighter, Michael Bisping joined the team as Guest Analyst and gave his predictions and thoughts on what might happen during Silva vs Sonnen 2.
Chael Sonnen gets the affirmative nod from both Michael Bisping and Kenny Florian.

Michael Bisping on Silva vs. Sonnen II: "As we all know, styles make a fight and seeing Chael Sonnen's style of fighting - it's a bad recipe for Anderson Silva. Chael did very well in the last fight and the fact that he did so is going to give him a lot of confidence and that is a big thing in this fight. I think it is a bad style match up and I think Chael gets the job done."

Florian breaks down the first fight between Silva vs. Sonnen: "There's no mystery to what Chael is going to do. He was successful in the first fight. Chael's take downs were money for him through that fight. Chael's ground and pound was successful throughout the fight. He's very good at getting in on your legs. He puts a lot of pressure on you when he takes you down. He had 320 strikes landed on Silva in that fight - probably more than Silva has been hit with in his entire career. The one thing that Silva did right in this fight was the submission, which was pretty much the only mistake that Chael made in this fight. And, it compromised him and gave Silva the win...People are going to think I'm crazy, but I'm going with Chael Sonnen, the trash talker. Chael is getting this."
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Facts, from people who actually know what is what.

I'm going with Silva to win. I predict this fight looks completely different from the first one. Sort of like the second time GSP fought Matt Serra. GSP was awake and ready to take his belt back at UFC 83. Serra got his clock cleaned.
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^ Opinion of a Silva fanboy, he wasn't ready the first time apparently. Difference is GSP dominated Sera the first time then boom, got TKO'd, it happens. Silva had 24 minutes to stop himself getting dominated and couldn't. This is the kind of retarded things that Silva fanboy's say, they have no bloody clue about MMA and just love Silva for the gold he wears around his belt. The fact people compare him to ****ing Bruce Lee is disgraceful, it really makes me hesitant about reading any MMA article or looking up any forum, its full of people who can't evaluate **** from their own point of view and just leech off the opinions of other morons. That wasn't a comment about anyone on here, I'm just seriously considering watching MMA and that's it, can't stand looking at Sherdog or most 'MMA articles' (what a joke) and constantly seeing how wrong most 'fans' are is just depressing. The only fights I've ever predicted wrong were Cain vs JDS and Okami vs Silva (wasn't expecting Okami to be afraid, if he wasn't Silva would have died).
 
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Still think Silva is going to win, but god I hope Chael slaps that smug grin off his face. Already disliked him for his general smugness but the whole shoulder barge thing just annoyed me even more. I dont care who beats him at this point, just that somebody sends him into retirement sooner rather later.
 
Omaeka, lay off the coolaid :p

Silva is the P4P King, no doubt GSP is good but id rather watch paint dry :(

Silva has beaten everybody put in front of him, never ducked anyone.

Okami
Vitor Belfort
Chael Sonnen
Demian Maia
Forrest Griffin
Thales Leites
Patrick Cote
James Irvin
Dan Henderson
Rich Franklin
Nate Marquardt
Travis Lutter
Rich Franklin
Chris Leben

The who's who of MMA middleweight division. Who has he not fought for you to call him a fraud?
 
Really been no standout fight so far. Would like this not to go to decision just for a bit of excitement. At least it means no replays I suppose.
 
Craterloads said:
Omaeka, lay off the coolaid :p

Silva is the P4P King, no doubt GSP is good but id rather watch paint dry :(

Silva has beaten everybody put in front of him, never ducked anyone.

Okami
Vitor Belfort
Chael Sonnen
Demian Maia
Forrest Griffin
Thales Leites
Patrick Cote
James Irvin
Dan Henderson
Rich Franklin
Nate Marquardt
Travis Lutter
Rich Franklin
Chris Leben

The who's who of MMA middleweight division. Who has he not fought for you to call him a fraud?
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Okami - he had all the tools to beat him, but was scared of Silva's reputation and lost the fight before it even started. Not to mention it was in Brazil and Okami is usually effected by the crowd, who in this case were extremely hostile. So basically Silva beat him mentally, that was the only place he had an advantage.

Vitor Belfort - he is not only a wooden horse now, but his style of striking never stood a chance against the style of Silva. The fact it ended the way it did spoke volume.

Chael Sonnen - well, he didn't really beat Chael did he if we are honest... Silva got outstruck and outgrappled decisively for 24 minutes.

Demian Maia - had no striking at this point, he could hardly pull guard on somebody who wouldn't engage.

Forrest Griffin - his striking did look good in this, but Forrest is so textbook with everything he does, it isn't hard for somebody with Silva's style to do what he did.

Thales Leites - Silva was a total douche in this fight, and Thales wasn't and isn't a striker to this date.

Patrick Cote - decent striker but generally overrated, same case as Belfort.

James Irvin - terrible fighter, and roid user.

Dan Henderson - possibly his only respectable win, he took on a strong wrestler and the hardest hitter in the division.

Rich Franklin - again, hes very textbook and too standard for somebody who is unorthodox like Silva to beat.

Nate Marquardt - another impressive win I'll admit, similar case to Hendo, these are the only impressive wins because they are the only fighters who really excelled at Silva's weakness; wrestling.

Travis Lutter - didn't watch this fight, no idea what happened but I know Travis isn't anyone to write home about.

Chris Leben - I do love the crippler, and it was quite impressive how he managed to finish old granitehead but its hardly something to base the P4P title on.

Silva has never called a single fighter out or wanted to be challenged, I can't really be that bothered right now to bring up evidence of his ducking but he has done it in the past, he is as bad as Fedor. I don't think Silva is some chump, I respect hes a decent, fast, unorthodox striker and deserves his UFC presence, but he does not deserve that title or the reputation he has, at all. Hes extremely overrated.

As for who hasn't he fought? Michael Bisping, Luke Rockhold, Brian Stann, Mark Munoz, Hector Lombard, Cung Le, to name a few. The list of people he hasn't fought is as 'impressive' as the list of those he has.
 
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