**** The Official Google Pixel 2/Pixel 2 XL Thread ****

I highly doubt it will cost £1000.

It (the 2 XL) will cost around what the LG V30 costs. maybe a bit more as I fully expect the camera to be a marked improvement since it has to be a generation up from the Pixel 1, which was already excellent. I'm also expecting to see 4K @ 60fps recording, and a new EIS/OIS system, perhaps more axis of compensation for even greater stabilisation.
 
ok, so each year people moan about how Apple can't innovate.

Let's apply the same logic to Google as I'm tempted to buy a new phone within the next few months. My shortlist is Galaxy S8+, Pixel 2 XL (maybe not due to having issues with my Pixel and being annoyed with Googles customer service), or dare I say it.....bend over and buy the iPhone X. Not really a fan of ios and I would miss Google Now and the integration into all my Google stuff. One thing you can say about Apple (and trust me, I'm no fan) is when they do something, they make sure it works. Samsungs face id thingy which works by holding a photo to the camera, come on. ok, so I know last nights demo fumbled a bit, but us techies understand the pain. FaceID with 3d IR scanning is good, and 2d scanning isn't. If you can't do it properly, don't bother. I remember samsungs first fingerprint scanner.....yeah. Don't learn.

anyway, the Pixel 2 XL

Price? Who knows, but the original Pixel was double the cost of the Nexus which means Pixels are now in a different league and should be held to account as such.
Let's say the XL cost £699 and for that it better be 64gb minimum.

What's the innovation this year?

Borderless screen is a given, but that's not innovation. Apple, Samsung, LG, Mii, Essential, Elephone have borderless.
The usual yearly spec bumps again are a given.
Dual camera both with ios? The leaks indicate a single camera so doubtful.
Wireless charging? The rear looks metal so again, doubtful.
MicroSD card...lol (shame as I'd like one)

What's new? It looks like the XL won't even hold it's own against the 2017 competition despite being priced the same. What am I missing? Squeezable frame, do me a favor

You could read my mini rant and say, well just buy an S8+ then, but that's not a perfect phone either. Still not a fan of samsungs fetish in doubling up on apps and copying everything google does whilst at the same time including googles services on it. Jeez. Bixby, meet Google assistant. Samsung calendar, meet google calendar. Yeah, I can hide, delete, not use those services but my OCD would hit level 8.

Would someone make me a phone which is a mixture of iPhone X, Pixel and Galaxy s8 please. Stick all the best bits in and take my money.
 
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I don't think anyone has ever claimed Google innovate with their phones. Up until the Pixel it was about providing devs with a stock device, not pushing new ideas. The Pixel was their first shot at a top end device. The iPhone is pretty much Apple's main thing these days, isn't it? They've been doing it for 10 years too... To me it's a little different.
 
I don't think anyone has ever claimed Google innovate with their phones. Up until the Pixel it was about providing devs with a stock device, not pushing new ideas. The Pixel was their first shot at a top end device. The iPhone is pretty much Apple's main thing these days, isn't it? They've been doing it for 10 years too... To me it's a little different.

I do understand that, but at the high price the Pixels are positioned at I can't afford them that luxury.

If you want to copy everyone else's hardware and stick stock android on you don't charge £700. Look at the upcoming Mii phone. That was developed with Google (android one?) and selling for £170. ok, so not state of the art hardware....but £170! Even if you built one with the latest hardware it still doesn't climb an extra £530

https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/pr...apdragon-625-16668-with-code-banggood-2784927
 
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Copy everyone else with stock Android? I'm not quite sure your point?

That Xiaomi can make phone cheaper? Yes, they can. I've used many, I would still prefer my Pixel. There always seemed to be something not quite right with Xiaomi's.
 
Copy everyone else with stock Android? I'm not quite sure your point?

That Xiaomi can make phone cheaper? Yes, they can. I've used many, I would still prefer my Pixel. There always seemed to be something not quite right with Xiaomi's.

My point is that I'm struggling to understand why they are £700. What's the must have 'killer' feature to entice me. Damn it, I want to be enticed into spending my money ;-)
 
Ahh. For the Pixel it was the camera (and you might argue the build quality and maybe that it's stock Android, when almost no-one else does this... so not sure how thats copying?). Amazing. Stabilisation like no other too. As can be seen from Apple, it's not always new features that sell a phone, it's doing what they do, really well.
 
Ahh. For the Pixel it was the camera (and you might argue the build quality and maybe that it's stock Android, when almost no-one else does this... so not sure how thats copying?). Amazing. Stabilisation like no other too. As can be seen from Apple, it's not always new features that sell a phone, it's doing what they do, really well.

I do like my Pixel, but the Pixel 2 leaks aren't making me grin from ear to ear. It's just a meh, it's ok....not great, but it's ok. WOW me Google!

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but the gold iphone 8 looks stunning. Just wish I can have a phone which ticks all the boxes.
 
@TheOracle the only innovation Apple appear to have indulged in with the iPhone X is the price ceiling.

One thing you can say about Apple (and trust me, I'm no fan) is when they do something, they make sure it works.

Their face recognition functionality doesn't?

Personally, I feel the price of high end phones is getting out of hand. Surely Apple have created a vacuum around the £700 range and if Google keep the Pixel around there then they have their best opportunity to grab some market share?

I'm not sure what innovation you're looking for from the Pixel? What have Google done to upset you from a customer service perspective? I've found them brilliant to deal with, but maybe I've been lucky?
 
The XL2 is based on the LG V30, expect everything the V30 has, and then add some more features on op. Wireless charging is a given.

The cameras will be the biggest bump here too I'd say given Google's focus on improving photography as we've already seen with the Pixel 1 phones.
 
The XL2 is based on the LG V30, expect everything the V30 has, and then add some more features on op. Wireless charging is a given.

The cameras will be the biggest bump here too I'd say given Google's focus on improving photography as we've already seen with the Pixel 1 phones.

That would catch my interest, and looking at the large lens you'd like to think the camera would be pretty special.

Do you think it would have the dac from the v30? I'd love that
 
That would catch my interest, and looking at the large lens you'd like to think the camera would be pretty special.

Do you think it would have the dac from the v30? I'd love that
As rumours go we'll be lucky if it even has a 3.5 mili' headphone jack.
 
The XL2 is based on the LG V30, expect everything the V30 has, and then add some more features on op. Wireless charging is a given.

The cameras will be the biggest bump here too I'd say given Google's focus on improving photography as we've already seen with the Pixel 1 phones.
Wireless charging hardly is a given especially when majority of the rear Pixel is still metal.

Wouldn't be too quick to say it's based off the v30 either you may be setting yourself up for dissapointment
 
With the release of the second generation Pixel phones drawing ever nearer, there aren’t many details about the Mountain View company’s forthcoming flagship handsets that we haven’t heard already. But 9to5Google has now obtained some new images of the smaller non-XL model from a trusted source, alongside a few little tidbits about the phone that haven’t been reported up to now…

While both in-the-flesh leaks of the smaller Pixel 2 up to now have shown the aluminum black model with a black glass top-third, we’ve been provided a new image showing a device with a slate gray-looking glass window and a dark silver back. The device we’ve seen in two images, both of which we’ve heavily blurred and obfuscated to protect the identity of our source, also has a black front. While we can’t say with certainty that this is a color that will be shipping come later this year, it’s at least being tested internally.

This is the first time we have been able to clearly see the two small black dots below the camera’s flash that assumably are the “receive” and “send” sensors for the laser detect autofocus. As we’ve seen previously (and our source has confirmed) there is a small microphone hole at the top of the device.

On the topic of storage for the new Pixels, we can independently corroborate previous reports that both 64GB and 128GB models do exist. It’s possible that 64GB could be the new base storage option with this year’s iteration since we’ve yet to hear about any models with less than 64GB, and as we reported way back in January, the phones are expected to be slightly more expensive than last year.


Truly sorry I can’t show you the full-res images, because they’re beautiful

We can also independently corroborate other details about the smaller Pixel 2 that have been reported previously. This smaller Pixel, codenamed “walleye,” looks like the many leaks we’ve seen already — bearing a design very similar to last year’s model. This means, yes, it will have the same larger bezels surrounding a marginally smaller 4.97-inch 1920 x 1080 display. As we reported first in March of this year, there will be no 3.5mm headphone jack on the device, with Google instead opting to add front-facing speakers.

On the note of the headphone jack, however, we’re told by a different anonymous source (with a good but imperfect track record) that there is a lot of talk happening internally regarding damage control for removing the port. We’re told to expect some “nuanced answers” in the coming weeks, but it’s unclear what that means. Perhaps Google intends to pitch Assistant-powered headphones as a trade off. We are entirely confident, however, thanks to the source that provided the above images, that Google has prepared a USB-C to 3.5mm dongle which will assumably ship with the phone in the box.

On another note, we’ve now been told by two separate sources that both Pixel 2 models will have improved water and dust resistance, as I first said way back in January. One source, familiar specifically with the LG-manufactured Pixel XL, has told us that the devices will be “waterproof,” while the source that provided the images you see in this post says that both devices will be rated IP68. It seems pretty likely to us that IP68 is the rating that these devices will carry.

Unfortunately, we don’t have any new details on the camera, other than to say that the source that provided us with these images says that the phone is sticking with EIS. This person also reiterated what we heard earlier this year: low-light performance is a primary focus. The person also says that, with the exception of the display, both devices will have identical specs — just like the original Pixel.

Finally, for some software tidbits. We were provided an image of the device’s ambient display turned on, but as you can see above (on the left), we blurred it out in an abundance of caution to protect our source’s identity. We can describe a couple of things about it, however; there is a new line below the time for the date and an alarm (if you have one set), and the large font for the time is slightly tweaked.

Also on the note of the ambient display, we’re told by one separate source, as was first reported in July, that there will indeed be an always-on option for the ambient display. The current Pixel’s ambient display is off unless you pick up the device or double tap the display when off. We’re told by that same source that Google Lens (which is nearing release as seen in Google app 7.11) will be launching publicly with the Pixel 2, and that the phone will likely be running Android 8.1 at launch.

Finally, a trusted source says that accessory manufacturers have PR embargoes for Pixel 2 products until October 5th, the same day that Evan Blass originally reported that the phone will launch.
https://9to5google.com/2017/09/06/p...k-model-64gb-128gb-storage-ip-68-google-lens/
 
Ahh. For the Pixel it was the camera (and you might argue the build quality and maybe that it's stock Android, when almost no-one else does this... so not sure how thats copying?). Amazing. Stabilisation like no other too. As can be seen from Apple, it's not always new features that sell a phone, it's doing what they do, really well.

I too agree that the camera on the Pixel XL is superb yet expect this year to be a step up too, esp with the expected ditching of OIS to EIS to improve further low light photos and improve video stability and because of Google's big focus on AI.

I think the camera will really be an important feature as Google Lens gets introduced later this year. Google has talked a lot recently about being at an inflection point for vision and has this massive, second-to-none (I believe) ability with its machine learning to understand images and video. It seems logical to assume the better quality around the hardware and software supporting the camera, the better the result will be with using the camera for Google Lens, Artificial Reality, etc. While some may see AI as a gimmick on a phone, I see Google Lens as a solid potential product. Lens provides Google with a huge potential new platform to excite its users.

While other hardware features on the next Pixel will be important (water resistance, internal storage, a Snapdragon 836 vs expected 835 chip, etc), I see the potential for Google to tap into its years of experience and expenditure in visual search, Street View, mapping, machine learning and video development to focus our attention on the potential "wow" factor that a higher quality camera and its Lens related software can bring to the user.

Incidentally, I was surprised that Apple did not really focus so much on its Artificial Reality features yesterday (ARKit) which leaves an interesting opening for Google to differentiate itself at its launch of the new Pixels next month.
 
I too agree that the camera on the Pixel XL is superb yet expect this year to be a step up too, esp with the expected ditching of OIS to EIS to improve further low light photos and improve video stability and because of Google's big focus on AI.

I think the camera will really be an important feature as Google Lens gets introduced later this year. Google has talked a lot recently about being at an inflection point for vision and has this massive, second-to-none (I believe) ability with its machine learning to understand images and video. It seems logical to assume the better quality around the hardware and software supporting the camera, the better the result will be with using the camera for Google Lens, Artificial Reality, etc. While some may see AI as a gimmick on a phone, I see Google Lens as a solid potential product. Lens provides Google with a huge potential new platform to excite its users.

While other hardware features on the next Pixel will be important (water resistance, internal storage, a Snapdragon 836 vs expected 835 chip, etc), I see the potential for Google to tap into its years of experience and expenditure in visual search, Street View, mapping, machine learning and video development to focus our attention on the potential "wow" factor that a higher quality camera and its Lens related software can bring to the user.

Incidentally, I was surprised that Apple did not really focus so much on its Artificial Reality features yesterday (ARKit) which leaves an interesting opening for Google to differentiate itself at its launch of the new Pixels next month.

and this is why, despite my earlier rant I will most probably end up buying the Pixel 2 XL. I'm heavily tied into the Google ecosystem and have been for a few years.
 
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