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How about if they just do what they did to certain secrets - change the card text to:

"Whenever this minion takes damage on your opponent's turn - summon another grim patron"

Or if that's too extreme a tweak to the effect:

"Whenever this minion is damaged down to 1 health, summon another grim patron"
 
benny90125 said:
The thing that usually makes me lose to Patron Warrior is the 20+ frothing berserker charging, nerfing Patron could work but I'm still hoping for the warsong change.
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Would my suggestions not help with that? In either case it means less ability for the Warrior to duplicate the Patrons and therefore less creatures taking damage all at once for the Beserker to trigger from...
 
benny90125 said:
Would definitely help.
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I'm not sure which of the options would be better...

In option #1 it is pretty effective - you can't use whirlwind or death's spite anymore to trigger the patrons on your own turn, nor can you warsong them out and charge them into weak minions ad-infinitum... But if you can get them out with something your opponent will trigger like unstable-ghoul, abomination... Or if they destroy your death's spite with an ooze or harrison, the board will start to get out of hand and harder for them to deal with... But perhaps this is too extreme

Option #2 you can still sometimes do some crazy things with the patron warsong combo, but it's not quite so effective - requiring many more combo-pieces to get things going, and if you end up needing to use multiple AOE style triggers to drop the patrons to 1 health, not only will they be easier for your opponent to pick off on the next turn, the warsong commander will also have been dropped to 1 health, giving your opponent the chance to shut the whole thing down
 
there is no problem with grim warrior - you just need to play a counter against it - a fast aggressive hand or large taunts or minions with attack > 3
 
joelk2 said:
Patron Warrior still way to OP.

Bad play on me i suppose, i should have played around the 30 damage lethal with 0 minions on the board.
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Patron Warrior gets wrecked by the new Taunt Warrior (the only minion with less than 3 attack is Dreadlord, which you suicide early to make him drop a combo piece out of order) and has a hard time with Dragon Priest.
 
im not saying u just anti the grim I do wonders with my deck vs patron and others

there will always be some weaknesses to some other decks..... grim is not overpowered

try using handlock vs it... for a start
 
Its like any deck, you face the class and start thinking of the decks that are net decked a lot and plan counters to them.

The games also about counter plays and not leaving yourself open to them, some you will win but some you never will.

I find my biggest problem these days is just getting a bad hand dealt to you.
 
Conm8 said:
I totally agree, I am glad I am not the only one who thinks this.
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doesnt deal with the combo really though. the reason its so OP is that you can buff the frothing so high due to all the patrons.

i think they need to either,

increase the cost of warsong by 1 + remove 1 health
increase the cost of patron by 1 + remove 1 health


although tbh just increasing the cost of patron by 1 would probably do the trick.

frothing hasnt changed and has always been buffable. there used to be a raging worgen combo warrior did before that had the same effect for an OTK
 
spluff said:
im not saying u just anti the grim I do wonders with my deck vs patron and others

there will always be some weaknesses to some other decks..... grim is not overpowered

try using handlock vs it... for a start
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handlock doesnt really counter patron warrior as you are feeding him every turn by bringing your health down.

IMO if he uses emperor once against handlock he wins.
 
I am having some pretty good results with a totem shaman atm. about 8-3 atm although think I am about to lose a game to a stupid Mage using a Control deck with Antonidas and Malygos.... Ugh
 
joelk2 said:
doesnt deal with the combo really though. the reason its so OP is that you can buff the frothing so high due to all the patrons.

i think they need to either,

increase the cost of warsong by 1 + remove 1 health
increase the cost of patron by 1 + remove 1 health


although tbh just increasing the cost of patron by 1 would probably do the trick.

frothing hasnt changed and has always been buffable. there used to be a raging worgen combo warrior did before that had the same effect for an OTK
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Honestly surprised you would suggest nerfing the patron and the warsong. The clear problem card here is the frothing. No minion should be able to get charge as well as 15+ attack in the same turn. Sure, like your example you can do the same with Worgen but it takes a lot of cards. Frothing is literally just Frothing and a whirlwind.
 
MooMoo444 said:
Honestly surprised you would suggest nerfing the patron and the warsong. The clear problem card here is the frothing. No minion should be able to get charge as well as 15+ attack in the same turn. Sure, like your example you can do the same with Worgen but it takes a lot of cards. Frothing is literally just Frothing and a whirlwind.
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but he's only made OP by the patrons
 
I think that is untrue, He has only come to light because of patron deck, on its own the card is OK. Mix it with Patron and its OP. Board control + Massive minion with charge all in 1 turn.
 
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