Poll: The official I voted/election results thread
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Soldato
Generally its known for being a "sport" for the middle-upper and predominantly upper classes of society. Anyway that was not the point. The point is obvious. Cameron is a complete and utter ****.
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Pretty much everything you post is like this - made up hyperbole. How can you POSSIBLY know that everyone in your area is 'probably' on a zero hour contract? It's just rubbish, made up to suit whatever ridiculous point you've got this week.
I know this might seem like an extreme measure but have you ever considered educating yourself in the subjects you so passionately spout off about?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...are-they-are-bad-as-we-are-told-10229040.html
the reasons why the nhs is not safe now
Mr Hunt, who took over as Health Secretary when Mr Lansley was sacked in September 2012, received more than £20,000 from hedge fund baron Andrew Law, a major investor in health care firms.
Mr Lansleythe chief architect of the Coalition’s NHS reforms, accepted a £21,000 donation in November 2009 from John Nash, the former chairman of Care UK.
William Hague, who accepted £20,000 from MMC Ventures, the part-owner of The Practice plc which runs 60 GP surgeries.
Sajid Javid received £11,000 from Moundsley Healthcare Ltd
david cameron handing a life peerage to nursing and care home tycoon Dolar Popat, who has given the Tories more than £200,000 in donations.
Duncan Smith has share options in hygiene tech firm Byotrol, which sells products to the NHS.
Philip Hammond is named because his former firm Castlemead is a health care and nursing home developer.
Mr Clegg received a £5,000 donation to his constituency office from Alpha Medical Consultancy.
Vince Cable was given £2,000 by Chartwell Care Services, which is owned by Chartwell Health & Care plc.
George Osborne, Chancellor: Received donation through Conservative Campaign HQ from Julian Schild whose family made £184m in 2006 by selling hospital bed-makers Huntleigh Technology
Michael Fallon, Defence Secretary: Former director of Attendo AB, a Swedish private health company
Philip Hammond, Foreign Secretary: Beneficiary of a trust which owns controlling interest in nursing home developer Castlemead Ltd
David Davis, former Shadow Home Secretary: Received £4,250 for a speaking engagement for health insurance company Aviva
Liam Fox, former Defence Secretary: Received £5,000 from iIPGL Ltd, which purchased health care company Cyprotex
John Redwood, former Cabinet Minister: Advised the private equity company which runs Pharmacy2u
this is bit of an list of some of 71 of them who got their hands in the pockets of the nhs you can imagine what they get by selling the nhs to the private sector
Mr Hunt, who took over as Health Secretary when Mr Lansley was sacked in September 2012, received more than £20,000 from hedge fund baron Andrew Law, a major investor in health care firms.
Mr Lansleythe chief architect of the Coalition’s NHS reforms, accepted a £21,000 donation in November 2009 from John Nash, the former chairman of Care UK.
William Hague, who accepted £20,000 from MMC Ventures, the part-owner of The Practice plc which runs 60 GP surgeries.
Sajid Javid received £11,000 from Moundsley Healthcare Ltd
david cameron handing a life peerage to nursing and care home tycoon Dolar Popat, who has given the Tories more than £200,000 in donations.
Duncan Smith has share options in hygiene tech firm Byotrol, which sells products to the NHS.
Philip Hammond is named because his former firm Castlemead is a health care and nursing home developer.
Mr Clegg received a £5,000 donation to his constituency office from Alpha Medical Consultancy.
Vince Cable was given £2,000 by Chartwell Care Services, which is owned by Chartwell Health & Care plc.
George Osborne, Chancellor: Received donation through Conservative Campaign HQ from Julian Schild whose family made £184m in 2006 by selling hospital bed-makers Huntleigh Technology
Michael Fallon, Defence Secretary: Former director of Attendo AB, a Swedish private health company
Philip Hammond, Foreign Secretary: Beneficiary of a trust which owns controlling interest in nursing home developer Castlemead Ltd
David Davis, former Shadow Home Secretary: Received £4,250 for a speaking engagement for health insurance company Aviva
Liam Fox, former Defence Secretary: Received £5,000 from iIPGL Ltd, which purchased health care company Cyprotex
John Redwood, former Cabinet Minister: Advised the private equity company which runs Pharmacy2u
this is bit of an list of some of 71 of them who got their hands in the pockets of the nhs you can imagine what they get by selling the nhs to the private sector
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It may not have been the point but you ruined it by saying an incorrect statement in such an over the top way based on an out of date stereotype. It's wrong to generalise hunting as being middle upper and 'looney murderous rich'. I've been riding for over 10 years and met all types of people who go hunting, working class, upper, middle.
As for calling David Cameron names for considering allowing the vote, he's a party leader representing his party, not a dictator. If the MPs who represent the electorate want a vote on the issue I guess he could object but has to listen. At the end of the day if the vote does come up, people have to make their voices heard, and I shall as I did last time the vote came up.
Btw I'm vegetarian, very anti hunting and think anyone who takes enjoyment from the death or suffering of another life is very wrong, oh and definitely not middle class.
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Wrong. We need to increase military spending and the size of the military in general. I would particularly like to see the RN Surface Fleet increased in size, as well as general Army numbers. A strong, effective and well equipped military deters aggression.
I agree that Foreign Policy has an important part to play though.
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I don't eat meat, but I have no issue with foxes being hunted. There's more to worry about in life. Humans can't even treat each other properly for goodness sake.
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For those who would like to see change however unlikely it is in reality
https://www.change.org/p/david-came...t-fair-and-representative-makeseatsmatchvotes
Not sure why he set the target as 450k, you'll need more like 5M+
https://www.change.org/p/david-came...t-fair-and-representative-makeseatsmatchvotes
Not sure why he set the target as 450k, you'll need more like 5M+
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Soldato
My mates a farmer. He has lots of other mates who partake in pheasant shooting. They are all certainly not middle upper class. This may not be represantive of the majority of hunters nut just saying.
Also, on the enjoyment thing. Maybe it could be argued that it is wrong to enjoy killing. However, in many instances it is necessary for population control.
Also, on the enjoyment thing. Maybe it could be argued that it is wrong to enjoy killing. However, in many instances it is necessary for population control.
Caporegime
I'll oppose fox hunting when foxes start killing humanely.
The stupid think with fox hunting is it was 100% a vote on pooing on what people think are toffe. Although most aren't in the slightest.
How do we now that the report looked at several killing methods and several were just as bad if not worse for the fox than hound hunting. And they are still perfectly legal and how, any protests have we seen to ban them?
This is what I hate about politics, once you decide on what's a reasonable humane level, then ban anything which falls bellow that standard. Regardless if it's farming, hunting, research etc.
This is why it should be ran far mire by experts and scientific research with public/mps drawing the line and implementing what the experts say.
How do we now that the report looked at several killing methods and several were just as bad if not worse for the fox than hound hunting. And they are still perfectly legal and how, any protests have we seen to ban them?
This is what I hate about politics, once you decide on what's a reasonable humane level, then ban anything which falls bellow that standard. Regardless if it's farming, hunting, research etc.
This is why it should be ran far mire by experts and scientific research with public/mps drawing the line and implementing what the experts say.
Soldato
Using the way an animal kills as a justification for blood sports is moronic even for this forum.
Soldato
Careful now, we don't want to upset the bunny and fox huggers
What's your stance on the Badger cull? As a farmer, my Tory vote was mainly based on their continuation of the badger cull to try and rectify the cattle TB situation.
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No, the reason the NHS isn't safe is that there are too many levels of administration, and the public think they have no role to play in their own health. Every new modern treatment is expected to be provided no matter the cost, and vast amounts are spent inefficiently.
There is no longterm plan to recruit from within, and no educational basis regarding this.
The entire conept of the nhs is a lumbering mess, and needs a full overhaul with a moving towards a systm that doesnt claim to provide everything, as that is unsustainable.
Caporegime
Why? Fox hunting allows dogs to kill foxes naturally, just as they would if they were together in the wild. Why is it bad for dogs to kill foxes in the same way that foxes kill other animals?
It's very different now, 3-line whips means that the back benchers are nothing more than robots now. UKIP (and i suspect the greens too) is the only parties that doesn't have the whip system
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Careful now, we don't want to upset the bunny and fox huggers
What's your stance on the Badger cull? As a farmer, my Tory vote was mainly based on their continuation of the badger cull to try and rectify the cattle TB situation.
Badger culling is fine with me.
Don't pay much attention, it's just those on the left licking their wounds.