Ridiculous how aggressive and worked up some people are getting over this election. You'd almost think this wasn't a democracy, if you don't vote with what they agree with then you get abuse! The people chose to keep the Tories in power so they should respect that. Instead trying to make it out like Labour vs Conservatives was like Good vs Evil! Labour's policies were a joke as were there leaders and that is why they did so badly. While some people have been bought up to vote for them without any questions asked many of us don't have any set allegiances. Likewise some vote for the Tories without any questions asks. There is a big middle ground and Labour spectacularly failed in convincing them that they had any credibility.
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Ridiculous how aggressive and worked up some people are getting over this election. You'd almost think this wasn't a democracy, if you don't vote with what they agree with then you get abuse! The people chose to keep the Tories in power so they should respect that. Instead trying to make it out like Labour vs Conservatives was like Good vs Evil! Labour's policies were a joke as were there leaders and that is why they did so badly. While some people have been bought up to vote for them without any questions asked many of us don't have any set allegiances. Likewise some vote for the Tories without any questions asks. There is a big middle ground and Labour spectacularly failed in convincing them that they had any credibility.
Or you are just jumping on the voting reform bandwagon like most people seem to be doing this days.
It is a pretty trendy thing to pretend to be behind these days though so i dont blame you.
Just bizzare coincidence it always happens when Labour are in power...
It doesn't; you're completely factually wrong. Debt has gone up under exactly one Labour government since WWII and GDP growth is no higher under the Tories than Labour, meanwhile Labour are left to pick up the pieces from the Tories shameful neglect of public services.
Or you are just jumping on the voting reform bandwagon like most people seem to be doing this days.
It is a pretty trendy thing to pretend to be behind these days though so i dont blame you.
No bandwagon being jumped on here mate, i just voiced an opinion agreeing in reply to someone else post, at least i voted with my limited and somewhat uneducated view on politics, only 60% of my city voted at all, maybe in your eyes i should join the 40% that just cant be bothered ?
Debt isn't necessarily the problem though. A deficit is.
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A lot of more proportional voting systems maintain or even improve this aspect of local representation. One of the reasons i find STV with multi member constituencies appealing is that if you do want to contact your MP over an issue you're having or a policy you want to discuss or whatever, you have a choice of people you think would be more receptive or that you agree with more. Rather than just whoever more people happened to vote for that may or may not reflect the views of the majority of the electorate in that area.
The trouble with FPTP is that it leads to many being forced to vote tactically, rather than for the party they actually want. More often than not there are only two parties who can form a government. A vote for any of the smaller parties is totally wasted.
How does a small party grow its share of the vote? Even if you wanted to vote Green (I don't - think they're nuts!) you would probably vote tactically for a party you consider to be the lesser of two evils.
And given how devoid of ideas Labour are, we're pretty much guaranteed a Tory government for years to come.
We desperately need a system where you can vote for whoever you want, and if that means getting used to coalitions then so be it. Plenty of successful countries have coalitions. Just look at Europe. Germany in particular.
Just seen this on my feed:
"I think the left need a coherent rebrand tbh. At the moment they are divided and don't speak to the population. They need to create anger"
So the answer is to make people angry. Brilliant.
Maybe...just MAYBE the Conservatives won because a lot of people thought " hang on a minute, i quite like my life and the country is doing fairly well when you take the whole of the world stage into account"
Is a mainly happy and contended populace not what we want? Then of course you just get the tired old line of "oh but that is what they want you to think, so they can control you and take all your freedom .....blah blah blah bleeding blah"
Neither are a problem as long as they're under control, which they were until the global financial crisis caused both to rise uncontrollably.
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Some good points. I do believe that PR best reflects the views of the electorate, but it is more likely to result in a Coalition, which I wouldn't want.
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They are, just not by the party they voted for.
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Because more people in the area in which they live voted for alternative candidates to represent them.
You don't vote for a party, you vote for a person to represent you in parliament.
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Which you also do with STV and multi member constituencies.
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But you are voting for a party. The candidate is largely irrelevant. They will still have to follow the party line.
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Anyone know whats going on with the final count? BBC are saying the conservatives have 331 seats Sky are saying they have 330?
