*** The Official Microsoft Surface Thread ***

Macro said:
Why? There are plenty of low end and cheap windows tablets.
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"Looks at app store"
Still crap.

"Picks up Dell Venue"
Feels like it's going to break in my hands.

That's why.

Android has high end 400 pound devices that are for the consumer.
iPad is a high end consumer device.

But suddenly the S3 isn't a higher end consumer device? Yeah. Pull the other one.
 
Macro said:
It's x64 device, why would you just look in the app store?
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I wouldn't personally (Although on my S2, I have no choice :p) but the majority of people are becoming reliant on apps.
And apps are actually helpful.

A lot of X86 stuff doesn't actually work well on its own with just a stylus (But with an S3, you don't get that, you've just got your finger)
 
Macro said:
It's x64 device, why would you just look in the app store?
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As Most x86 apps are poor at best on touch screen.
Apps are extremely important to mass market and touch devices in general.

You don't want to be using a tablet with a keyboard and mouse constantly. K+m should be the least amount if time you spend on it when doing lots if written work.

then from MS point if view, app store is where they are going to reclaim a huge amount if revenue they have lost in other areas, mainly lost revenue from the OS itself.

So it's vital for all parties involved.
 
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Ok let's agree to disagree.

I firmly believe S3 is designed to be premium flagship device potentialy replacing a laptop and tablet for a lot of people, that's why it's priced as it is and runs full Windows rather than a variation of the up coming Windows mobile.

It's very specifically not supposed to dominate the consumer market, rather to complement offerings from MS OEM partners.
For what it's worth my venue 8Pro has never felt cheap or like it would fall apart.
 
How is it a flagship!?
It's certainly a premium device (As it should be!) but it's no flagship.

I don't think MS have the competence to release a tablet to dominate the consumer space. They've shown a lack of ability to do so for years.
 
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Glaucus said:
As Most x86 apps are poor at best on touch screen.
Apps are extremely important to mass market and touch devices in general.

You don't want to be using a tablet with a keyboard and mouse constantly. K+m should be the least amount if time you spend on it when doing lots if written work.
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it is full Windows so its strength for a lot of people will be it can run full applications as well as touch friendly apps in the same way as SP3.

Think of it as a more consumer affordable SP3 capable enough for a lot of people able to replace having to have a laptop and iPad rather than a direct competitor to a cheap android tablet. There's plenty of cheap Windows tablets or laptops if that's what you want.

If you don't like it then don't buy it I suppose, it's clearly not designed or priced for everyone
 
Macro said:
it is full Windows so its strength for a lot of people will be it can run full applications as well as touch friendly apps in the same way as SP3.
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Strength, absolutely. Main use no.
It is a tablet first and that needs app store.

It is designed for us in this thread that is the point. If even we aren't buying it. It is not going to be a mass seller. I expect it'll do reasonably well at enterprise where price is slightly less of a worry. It is going to do zero to break into android/ios market. which is what MS need. they are still leaders in enterprise anyway. That isn't the market they have lost and are desperately trying to claw there way into. That's consumer tablets and phones. Phones they need more apps for as well. Which is one of the big selling points for w10, but if there aren't decent consumer tablets, then It's not going to work.
 
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Glaucus said:
Strength, absolutely. Main use no.
It is a tablet first and that needs app store.
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.... and so it supports both, hopefully the touch app range will improve with W10 and universal apps. In the mean time being able to use normal Windows apps as well as full size keyboard, mouse, screen etc ( not to mention domain join) makes for a reasonably priced (compared to SP3) good quality 2 in 1.
 
Except android/ios have far more apps. Have office etc and keyboards. It makes little sense to get over the other offerings for mass market.
You massively over estimate how much work mass market does, most people do not need a laptop they only need and want a tablet with loads of good quality apps. Work is a bonus, which as said you can do on the others these days anyway.
 
cu3ed said:
Also, having a proper desktop browser and not some larger limited mobile browser means I dont need 50% of apps that are needed to make them work.
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I think someone hasn't extensively used desktop, ie and other applications on a touch screen. They are far from ideal and not something you want to do routinely.
 
IOS has different apps and being able to say you have 500 twitter apps in a store had long since stopped being a benchmark. Of course if you're bough into the iOS or Google app ecosystem you're unlikely to changeto anything else without good reason.

W10 needs to bring more universal touch based apps to market without doubt, but many people have a laptop AND tablet which suggests there is a market for people who want touch style apps and full on Windows applications and games with mouse & Keyboard. Surface 3 potentially gives that in a single device. If you just want a Windows tablet there are plenty of other (cheaper) options and presumably more coming with Cherry Trail and Windows 10.

That's why it's x64 full Windows and not Windows 10 mobile or whatever it ends up being called. It's expensive as opposed to an Android tablet, yes, maybe, but as a replacement from me having to buy a laptop and iPad, then I could see it made sense as a student/consumer/non power user in a company etc. Not something for everyone, no, but a good premium option leaving room for MS OEM partners to produce cheaper, and more expensive alternate options.
 
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