We got a shrink here so they can get a lot more out per mm, yes i know that we will not see many large chips at the launch the only way I can see nvidia hiking the price right up if Amd screw up and by all counts, the low and medium sectors they should do well Nvidia will not let Amd grab the low and medium sectors.
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** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **
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Queamin, if the spec in your signature is your current spec, you need to give us a call ASAP. 
Queamin, if the spec in your signature is your current spec, you need to give us a call ASAP.
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All I want from pascal is to have 1 card that can run games with a min of 60fps in 1440p if any of these cards can do that I will pay a heavy premium for an aio on it to 
On the benchlife rumour....
Oh yes because GDDR5X isn't a new technology. I know I know, I'm just being pedantic.
Realistically I don't think GDDR5X would be ready and available in enough volume, for late may launch, it will be GDDR5.
So with that thinking every generation of GPU's will just get more expensive, and of course you would never be able to buy a £100 750ti that is just as fast as a £450 GTX480.
Funnily enough that was launched nearly 6 years ago, allow a little for inflation and bang there you go £500+.
Oh yes because GDDR5X isn't a new technology. I know I know, I'm just being pedantic.
Realistically I don't think GDDR5X would be ready and available in enough volume, for late may launch, it will be GDDR5.
So with that thinking every generation of GPU's will just get more expensive, and of course you would never be able to buy a £100 750ti that is just as fast as a £450 GTX480.
Funnily enough that was launched nearly 6 years ago, allow a little for inflation and bang there you go £500+.
There's a difference tho in saying that they will release a 980ti perf card that's cheaper than a 980ti. Which will all expect they will.
But saying that this card is going to come in at £300 or less... that's what some of us are taking issue with
It doesn't seem plausible.
One thing's for sure... their top end card this gen is not going to be £400 or less. And there's good reason to think that mid-sized Pascal is going to be the top-end card for some time.
Most speculation is that "big" Pascal won't hit till 2017, is it not?
Will nV have a lineup with a £300 card and a £400 card only until 2017? I guess it all depends on if you believe the big Pascal is coming this summer.
But saying that this card is going to come in at £300 or less... that's what some of us are taking issue with
It doesn't seem plausible.One thing's for sure... their top end card this gen is not going to be £400 or less. And there's good reason to think that mid-sized Pascal is going to be the top-end card for some time.
Most speculation is that "big" Pascal won't hit till 2017, is it not?
Will nV have a lineup with a £300 card and a £400 card only until 2017? I guess it all depends on if you believe the big Pascal is coming this summer.
Ohh I agree mate, just sad to see this happening as a enthusiast of computer technology and how it's slowing down a lot.
There are people that got 970s for 300 pounds that would buy a GTX 1070 for 300 pounds if it was 5% faster than reference stock 980Ti and had a sparkly new feature advertised that was in reality not essential or hard to even notice, rather than just buying a 980Ti in the first place for around the same total price or slightly less, but they would be unlikely to go from 970 to 980Ti, I think thats the point being made
personally disappointed that no HBM2 on mainstream pascal cards, just like the disappointment when 20nm was skipped.
I wonder what this means for the form factor of the 1080 card if they are still using GDDR5
personally disappointed that no HBM2 on mainstream pascal cards, just like the disappointment when 20nm was skipped.
I wonder what this means for the form factor of the 1080 card if they are still using GDDR5
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Start it at 4m50s for the benchmarks..
This clearly also shows how Nvidia gimped the drivers for the 780ti/Kepler or they really optimized the drivers for Maxwell and ignored optimizing the Kepler cards altogether. I'm expecting Maxwell to get gimped too in the future. As you see the 980 and the 780ti were head to head and in some cases better than the 980, there is still some benchmarks that show the 780ti better than the 980 even on today's drivers. I'm expecting the same thing is going to happen with the 1080, it will be more efficient and probably matching the 980ti or maybe slower by a touch and just priced in a different bracket so they don't sabotage their 980ti prices and stocks. Who knows really, we just have to wait and see. But I expect to see them either head to head or a touch slower and with driver optimizations they will get faster in some games and benchmarks..
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There's a difference tho in saying that they will release a 980ti perf card that's cheaper than a 980ti. Which will all expect they will.
But saying that this card is going to come in at £300 or less... that's what some of us are taking issue with
One thing's for sure... their top end card this gen is not going to be £400 or less. And there's good reason to think that mid-sized Pascal is going to be the top-end card for some time.
Most speculation is that "big" Pascal won't hit till 2017, is it not?
Will nV have a lineup with a £300 card and a £400 card only until 2017? I guess it all depends on if you believe the big Pascal is coming this summer.
So very similar to what they did with the 900 series then, 980 and 970 then a 6 month wait till the titanX and the 980ti 3 months after that.
I expect the x80 Pascal card to be shown at GTC, they will tell us that they will be available within 8 weeks which will bring us up to just before computex. Then over the next few months there will be a few of the smaller Pascal based cards, along with mobile parts. Come October-December time the big Pascal part will make an appearance in the Titan form, it will be mind bendingly fast and cost two arms and two legs, probably with 32GB of HBM2, then in March/April the consumer big Pascal will make an appearance with 16GB HBM2
I am not expecting AMD's release schedule to look that much different.
There's a difference tho in saying that they will release a 980ti perf card that's cheaper than a 980ti. Which will all expect they will.
But saying that this card is going to come in at £300 or less... that's what some of us are taking issue with
One thing's for sure... their top end card this gen is not going to be £400 or less. And there's good reason to think that mid-sized Pascal is going to be the top-end card for some time.
Most speculation is that "big" Pascal won't hit till 2017, is it not?
Will nV have a lineup with a £300 card and a £400 card only until 2017? I guess it all depends on if you believe the big Pascal is coming this summer.
How on earth is not plausible? It literally happened last time in September 2014 and on the same process!
No, their top end card with mid-pascal will not be below £400 but then that card (presumably will be called the 1080) will be a decent bit faster than the 980Ti. This means the X70 card will likely be around 980Ti performance for ~£300.
670 matched/surpassed the 580 and was £319
770 matched/surpassed the 680 was £329
970 matched the 780Ti and was £280
I don't know what reality you live in that makes you think it so implausible
It is actually more implausible that this won't happen!
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Lat time when Die shrink happend New mid-range SKU GTX670/680 just destroyed GTX580 at same(680) or(670 case) much less cost.How on earth is not plausible? It literally happened last time in September 2014 and on the same process!
No, their top end card with mid-pascal will not be below £400 but then that card (presumably will be called the 1080) will be a decent bit faster than the 980Ti. This means the X70 card will likely be around 980Ti performance for ~£300.
670 matched/surpassed the 580 and was £319
770 matched/surpassed the 680 was £329
970 matched the 780Ti and was £280
I don't know what reality you live in that makes you think it so implausible
It is actually more implausible that this won't happen!
If that happen again with new shrink we should see:
1080 30% faster than TITANX at cost 500-550USD price(35-39% faster vs cutdown 980TI witch is basicaly GTX570 of 40nm era only slighly less cutdown vs how was 570)
680 costs same as GTX580 both were 500USD MSRP cards.
1070 should be faster than TITANX by 15-20%(20-25% vs 980TI)
At cost 350-400USD
670 was 21% faster than GTX580 flagship and cost 400USD at launch.
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Lat time when Die shrink happend New mid-range SKU GTX670/680 just destroyed GTX580 at same(680) or(670 case) much less cost.
If that happen again with new shrink we should see:
1080 30% faster than TITANX at cost 500-550USD price(35-39% faster vs cutdown 980TI witch is basicaly GTX570 of 40nm era only slighly less cutdown vs how was 570)
680 costs same as GTX580 both were 500USD MSRP cards.
1070 should be faster than TITANX by 15-20%(20-25% vs 980TI)
At cost 350-400USD
670 was 21% faster than GTX580 flagship and cost 400USD at launch.
Exactly.
Oh wow, it gets better
You think a 1070 is going to be £300 and 20% faster than a TitanX?
Impressive levels of optimism being displayed here. Or delusion
I personally don't, but what he has posted is sort of correct and more plausible than what you think at least. I am going to err on the side of caution and say the X70 card will be around 980Ti levels of performance.
Are you going to answer why you think what will happen this time will be completely different from the previous recent generations or are you just going to keep saying 'lol implausible' and that everyone is delusional with nothing to back it up?
You must be extremely pessimistic if you think Nvida are going to release a card barely faster than the 980Ti, for the same price as the 980Ti's release price. We want and expect progress, especially with going to a whole new process.
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Lat time when Die shrink happend New mid-range SKU GTX670/680 just destroyed GTX580 at same(680) or(670 case) much less cost.
If that happen again with new shrink we should see:
1080 30% faster than TITANX at cost 500-550USD price(35-39% faster vs cutdown 980TI witch is basicaly GTX570 of 40nm era only slighly less cutdown vs how was 570)
680 costs same as GTX580 both were 500USD MSRP cards.
1070 should be faster than TITANX by 15-20%(20-25% vs 980TI)
At cost 350-400USD
670 was 21% faster than GTX580 flagship and cost 400USD at launch.
Also the HD 7870 was AMD's 3rd tier card but still faster than their 1st tier on 40nm. And compared to the GTX 580 it gave almost identical performance but for around 40% cheaper.
So I can totally see 980 Ti performance in the £300-350 range.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/5818/nvidia-geforce-gtx-670-review-feat-evga/5
Aside from the fact that there are loads of cases where the 670 wasn't nearly as far ahead as you believe, you're all comparing very different situations.
The 580gtx had nearly no architectural improvement on the 480gtx. Nvidia spent a year trying to fix the 480gtx, it always was a mostly basic respin. The 670 brought a very large, and long coming architecture update from Fermi. This time around Maxwell is that architecture boost, it also had the hardware scheduler and compute stripped out... the new parts on 16nm will have both of those added back in and won't be nearly as big as an architectural shift. So the chances of gaining the same amount as effectively a 'full' 480gtx to a 670gtx, and a 980ti to a xx70 is nearly non existent.
That is before we get to the fact that people are basing their assumptions on the 970 price and going with £300.
680gtx, $500/£420 actual price(though on average at launch more like £450), 670gtx $400/£330. 980 $550/cba'd to check £, 970 $329/£275 ish for some apparently.
So lets ignore that a 670gtx wasn't actually £300, let alone £270, it was a good chunk more on a MUCH cheaper process. The 970 was cheaper because it was a much more heavily cut down part that performed way worse in comparison to the fullfat part than the 670 did.
670 was about 10% tmu/shader reduction, same rops, same memory bus as the 680. The 970 had an almost 20% drop in tmu/shaders wile rops were almost 15% lower and don't get me started on the memory bus.
The actual price for the full fat part went UP, the 970 was cheaper because it was much more significantly cut down.
So add this all up, Pascal isn't nearly as big a architecture change as Kepler was to Fermi, not by a mile. It will have to add things back in stripped out vs Maxwell cards, this will negatively impact overall gaming performance increase as it will take up die space. The 670 was £330, not £300 and the 16nm finfet process is significantly more expensive than 28nm planar.
Expect $550-650 for the new xx80 part and $425-500 for the xx70 part, imho.
Aside from the fact that there are loads of cases where the 670 wasn't nearly as far ahead as you believe, you're all comparing very different situations.
The 580gtx had nearly no architectural improvement on the 480gtx. Nvidia spent a year trying to fix the 480gtx, it always was a mostly basic respin. The 670 brought a very large, and long coming architecture update from Fermi. This time around Maxwell is that architecture boost, it also had the hardware scheduler and compute stripped out... the new parts on 16nm will have both of those added back in and won't be nearly as big as an architectural shift. So the chances of gaining the same amount as effectively a 'full' 480gtx to a 670gtx, and a 980ti to a xx70 is nearly non existent.
That is before we get to the fact that people are basing their assumptions on the 970 price and going with £300.
680gtx, $500/£420 actual price(though on average at launch more like £450), 670gtx $400/£330. 980 $550/cba'd to check £, 970 $329/£275 ish for some apparently.
So lets ignore that a 670gtx wasn't actually £300, let alone £270, it was a good chunk more on a MUCH cheaper process. The 970 was cheaper because it was a much more heavily cut down part that performed way worse in comparison to the fullfat part than the 670 did.
670 was about 10% tmu/shader reduction, same rops, same memory bus as the 680. The 970 had an almost 20% drop in tmu/shaders wile rops were almost 15% lower and don't get me started on the memory bus.
The actual price for the full fat part went UP, the 970 was cheaper because it was much more significantly cut down.
So add this all up, Pascal isn't nearly as big a architecture change as Kepler was to Fermi, not by a mile. It will have to add things back in stripped out vs Maxwell cards, this will negatively impact overall gaming performance increase as it will take up die space. The 670 was £330, not £300 and the 16nm finfet process is significantly more expensive than 28nm planar.
Expect $550-650 for the new xx80 part and $425-500 for the xx70 part, imho.