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** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **
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Soldato
I would expect that they have two chips at least - the GTX1080 and GTX1070 will be 300MM2 to 400MM2 chips and remember even with Kepler,Nvidia had both the GK110 and GK104 going at the same time,except I expect yields on the GK110 meant it had to be prioritised for commercial customers first.
He doesn't have to have seen the 1070 performance to think that it looks like a nice upgrade from whatever he has now.
Just like myself had a 260 the 470 was a nice upgrade, next was a 670, now a 970, something very very wrong will have to happen for the 1070 not to be a nice upgrade.
Just like myself had a 260 the 470 was a nice upgrade, next was a 670, now a 970, something very very wrong will have to happen for the 1070 not to be a nice upgrade.
But if you read my question more carefully you realise that it is not. It is not about the yields. And it is not simple to cut out DP units.
if nvidia had 2 designs for this new process, they would have 2 separate engineer teams, it is not like you just take big pascal, erase DP units in their software and cook the chip
As I said as well, TSMC is very busy and has very limited capacity for nvidia, so if nvidia wanted to buy out extra slot at busy fab, it would cost.
And that is without me mentioning yields which I guess are very low with 600mm2 tesla dies.
They wont be making many GP100 chips, it simply isn't a big market, So Nvidia will have plenty of capacity form TSMC to run a GP104 gaming orientated chip.
Soldato
Possible GP106 spotted:
https://translate.googleusercontent...l.html&usg=ALkJrhhZNipbNtaRFSGqN6sBc01sLJxjpw
https://translate.google.co.uk/tran...it-pascal-gpu-und-samsung-gddr5-speicher.html
Around 200MM2 with a 128 bit memory controller.
Just made two weeks ago it seems.
https://translate.googleusercontent...l.html&usg=ALkJrhhZNipbNtaRFSGqN6sBc01sLJxjpw
https://translate.google.co.uk/tran...it-pascal-gpu-und-samsung-gddr5-speicher.html
Around 200MM2 with a 128 bit memory controller.
Just made two weeks ago it seems.
He doesn't have to have seen the 1070 performance to think that it looks like a nice upgrade from whatever he has now.
Just like myself had a 260 the 470 was a nice upgrade, next was a 670, now a 970, something very very wrong will have to happen for the 1070 not to be a nice upgrade.
I've been buying flagships for years, but I've often wondered if I might be better moving to the smaller chips? I skipped 980ti due to starting a family, so I have an opportunity now time my upgrades similar to you.
Soldato
well according to some people the 970 is mid range....
Soldato
Someone on AT forums managed to notice the following!
GP104 Die Pictured
According to junmiu @ Chiphell this is GP104 (GM204 successor), and it measures ~290-300mm². At the right there's Samsung K4G80325FB - 1.5V 8Gb GDDR5 chips that can reach 8000MHz.
www.samsung.com/semiconductor/global/file/insight/2015/08/PSG2014_2H_FINAL-1.pdf
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GDDR5 makes sense for x80/x70, bit too early for GDDR5X. Maybe Ti will have the X and monster Titan to have HBM2? Esp if it's quite constrained, they're gonna sell all they can make!!!
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Soldato
Not seeing any leaks on the AMD side Cat, esp if the launch is soon
Yes,considering all the last few AMD launches have had so many die leaks!!
Fiji,Hawaii,Tahiti,Cayman and Cypress had no die leaks before launch and people were not even sure what the specs were. This is why the HD5870 came out of nowhere. Plus we already had some leaks about a 1024 shader Polaris 11 part and a possible 2304 shader Polaris 10 part.
Plus,AMD does not need leaks since they showed the cards off anyway. Like this actual Polaris 10 card in an Elite 110:
http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/AMD_Polaris_10_Back-635x620.jpg
http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/AMD_Polaris_10_CoolerMaster-635x672.jpg
Only seeing dies from Nvidia so far.
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Yes,considering all the last few AMD launches have had so many die leaks!!
Plus,AMD does not need leaks since they showed the cards off anyway.
True, it's not like they need the exposure/buzz at the moment
Then again, I forget that they made pretty much the entire marketing department redundant
Soldato
True, it's not like they need the exposure/buzz at the moment
Then again, I forget that they made pretty much the entire marketing department redundant
Don't need to if the cards are shown off in action already! All we seen from Nvidia is a GP100,which won't be used for gaming and no noise about the gaming cards apart from rumours. The GP106 picture is from a Drive PX2 but Nvidia tried to hide the GPUs and not show them off.
Nvidia are more tight lipped about their gaming cards than AMD this time.
AMD are literally shouting from the roofs by demoing Polaris 10 and 11 and having the Polaris 10 card in an Elite 110. It is very unusual by them.
IIRC,when they had the six month advantage over the GTX480,they said nothing at all about the HD5870 and they were shipping in volume from launch. The same goes with the HD4870.
Plus AMD has a marketing department - that is a new one for me!
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TI will be same as Titan memory arch wise, only less cores.
Soldato
So around 300mm2 on 16NM - that could be around GTX980TI level performance at least(or a bit quicker) since I expect the card will have higher stock clockspeeds.
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