** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **

[ICDP]

I didn't pay anywhere near that price for my 580 3GB

http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/33453-amd-radeon-hd-7970-launch-day-pricing-availability/

pre-order no name was £420, actually in stock brand names were £450-530 - £450 was the official rrp on launch
a 580 is a 580, having a different amount of VRAM doesn't make it a different GPU core

Price gouging is NOT MSRP and at that point in time the cheapest 7970 was a similar or slightly cheaper price to GTX 580 3GB

The fact the 580 1.5GB and 3GB had the same GPU core is irrelevant as clearly the 3GB version was priced higher due to the fact it was a higher end GPU. If there was no difference to the spec and pricing why did you waste money purchasing 2 of them?

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=21658616&postcount=10

I suppose going forwards we always ignore the 80ti cards and only use the Titan as the price comparison point

so basically going back to what was just said, "pulling a 5870/7970" will just be releasing a card slightly faster than a TitanX at £700 will be fine?
the 5870 is a good comparison and something to hope for... lumping it in with the 7970 is doing it a diservice

Strawman argument. You are deflecting from the absolute fact that at actual release date (Jan 2012) the 7970 WAS NOT at a higher MSRP than the MSRP for 580 3GB, which was the topend Nvidia GPU at that time.

 

[MooMoo444]

Do we have an ETA for pascal cards? I don't understand all of the technobabble in this topic

 

[muziqaz]

Do we have an ETA for pascal cards? I don't understand all of the technobabble in this topic

2017

 

[fantasticCG]

2017

So nothing this year then?
That can't be right

 

[Rroff]

Do we have an ETA for pascal cards? I don't understand all of the technobabble in this topic

Nothing official at all - the only thing we know so far is that full fat 16+GB HBM2 consumer cards are almost certainly not coming this side of Christmas. With 16nm production ramping up it could be almost any time from now in theory for the first round of consumer cards.

 

[DarrenM343]

Funny thing.
GTx980TI is only 23% faster than GTX980(stock vs stock) yet is here treated like some sort of miracle card.

Kinda agree with you. I see it as an upper-mid range card, the Titan X is top end.
However, bringing value into the equation, nothing wrong with recommending an upper-mid range card

 

[Dicehunter]

Do we have an ETA for pascal cards? I don't understand all of the technobabble in this topic

My guess is around June'ish for the GP104 i.e 1070/1080 cards and the big daddy beast chip i.e GP100 around March next year.

 

[MooMoo444]

Thank you

 

[mrbios]

My guess is around June'ish for the GP104 i.e 1070/1080 cards and the big daddy beast chip i.e GP100 around March next year.

GP104 the 980 replacement and GP100 the titan replacement? These GP numbers are confusing me, especially when the faster one is the lower number

 

[JediFragger]

People don't recommend based on stock for stock, the forum is called "overclockers uk" for a reason

And it's a dreamy place to be

 

[SimBy]

Do we have an ETA for pascal cards? I don't understand all of the technobabble in this topic

I expect an announcement at Computex but nothing you can buy till much later.

 

[lumik]

People don't recommend based on stock for stock, the forum is called "overclockers uk" for a reason

AND gtx980 cant OC?

 

[ICDP]

AND gtx980 cant OC?

Of course it can't overlock, that wouldn't fit his narrative.

 

[ICDP]

More rumours/info suggesting that Pascal is a die shrunk Maxwell based GPU. Also suggesting Pascal will be released before Polaris but not sure on either rumour to be honest.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20160408PD205.html

"Nvidia is ready to announce its Maxwell-based Pascal graphics cards at Computex 2016 from May 31-June 4, with graphics card players including Asustek Computer, Gigabyte Technology and Micro-Star International (MSI) showcasing their reference board products, according to sources from graphics card players."

Other rumours suggest Pascal has Async compute but at a level that is even slightly worse than GCN 1.0 cards.

 

[bru]

Pascal is Maxwell based just as much as Polaris is Fiji based, because that is what these companies do, they take their previous products and look to see what needs tweaking and changing, make those changes and release new products. Every so often they will look at the tech and say ok we need to change things completely, like Terrascale to GCN.
Anybody thinking that these things are just a die shrink are just mistaken. Even chips like the 480 to 580 were different chips, very close to one another, but with enough changes to make the thing actually producible at the speeds they wanted.

 

[egraphixstudios]

Just got a 980 ti a few weeks back- I will wait after pascal has come out and see what model ranges are available before upgrading.

 

[D.P.]

Maxwell is an architecture that wil last until at least Volta if not beyond. And Bru says, that doesn't make pascal s mere optical die shrink any more than polis is "just a dir shrink of Fiji" since they are both GCN architectures.

GCN4 polaris is the smallest architecture and GCN1, doesn't mean they perform the same!

Maxwell was a massive technical leap for Nvidia, which is why they managed to get lower tired cards beating the previous Gen top cards in a smaller dir using less transistors on the same process node size.

 

[Dave2150]

Maxwell is an architecture that wil last until at least Volta if not beyond. And Bru says, that doesn't make pascal s mere optical die shrink any more than polis is "just a dir shrink of Fiji" since they are both GCN architectures.

GCN4 polaris is the smallest architecture and GCN1, doesn't mean they perform the same!

Maxwell was a massive technical leap for Nvidia, which is why they managed to get lower tired cards beating the previous Gen top cards in a smaller dir using less transistors on the same process node size.

Agreed.

Maxwell was simply ground-breaking for NVIDIA. I do hope AMD manage to match or exceed it, for the sake of competition, though they certainly have their work cut out.

 

[bru]

Maxwell is an architecture that wil last until at least Volta if not beyond. And Bru says, that doesn't make pascal s mere optical die shrink any more than polis is "just a dir shrink of Fiji" since they are both GCN architectures.

Maxwell is an architecture that will last until ......er Pascal.

In reality, last is the wrong word to use, superseded by might fit better.

 

[Mtom]

Agreed.

Maxwell was simply ground-breaking for NVIDIA. I do hope AMD manage to match or exceed it, for the sake of competition, though they certainly have their work cut out.

Ground breaking is a bit strong word...bringing advancement in nothing but power efficiency...in performance they are can't really overcome the much older amd cards.