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** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **

Im convinced that video is 100% legit, looks more than 100% legitimate in fact, 100% improvement at 4k over the 980ti, with lower memory bandwidth and CUDA cores here we come guys.
 
bru said:
You asked for a valid reason for thinking AotS is AMD biased, I just gave you one. :)
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Fair one. It could most certainly be seen as a reason for thinking it, though benchmark results would pretty much refute that reasoning. If you look at AotS benchmarks, and then every other games' benchmarks -- there's no real shocking results on AotS. The performance of each card is pretty much where you'd expect it to be, and now nVidia have a card capable of Async Compute you see it pulling ahead by a considerable amount. This to me says less "AMD bias" and more "older nVidia missing a feature." If Async were an AMD specific technology then hell yes there'd be no way around it - it'd be a biased bench, but it's not - it just uses a technology that nVidia had yet to implement which nVidia have now corrected. Seems to me it was more of a DX12 showcase that nVidia weren't ready for and AMD were. DX12 bias =/= AMD bias :P
 
Howling said:
Baseless conjecture. The fact that AotS uses Async (which is a feature of DX12, not an AMD technology) does not equate to a pro-AMD bias.
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It is a fact that AMD use Oxide to demonstrated technologies that AMD is better at, that is the definition of biased. Async is not even part of DX12, multi-engine support is.


Assassins Creed Unity -- I can't recall how many of the GW effects are used, but I recall the smoke having a rather large performance impact while being visually identical to GW off.
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That is not proof of anything. Can you show me an alternative implementation hat has the same effect and less computational costs?

Arkham Knight -- Are they still refunding it for how bad it was?
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Absolutely nothing to do with gamesworks.:confused: It was just bad game.

Witcher 3 -- The hairworks that completely decimated AMD cards and gave a large hit to nVidia cards until options to lower tessellation were added.
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It decimated AMD cards with underpowered tessellation. have a look at the FuryX, it takes less of a performance hit than the 980Ti when enabling hairworks. There are no options to lower tessellation levels.

Fallout 4 -- Arguably the only one I can think of that wasn't gimped by GW - and thankfully 100% optional.
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There's that magic word again, even although examples you have shown indicate the complete opposite to "gimping"
 
Ayahuasca said:
It's going to be a painful 7 days in this section till reviews are out.

I'm getting deja vu :D
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You know that. In a thread discussing Pascal, again we have GameWorks arguments :o

The 1070 looks like the must have card although I will be going for the 1080 and the price of $379 (£314 inclusive of VAT) is very fair if it does indeed beat out a Titan X.

Really excited for these cards and more than I was expecting.

@ Howling - Give it a rest please.
 
D.P. said:
That is not proof of anything. Can you show me an alternative implementation hat has the same effect and less computational costs?
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Uh.. it's in the very sentence you quoted. "visually identical to GW off" -- same effect and less computational cost.
Absolutely nothing to do with gamesworks.:confused: It was just bad game.
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How do you know it's nothing to do with GW? I concede it's ambiguous on both sides, it could just have been a terrible game regardless of nVidia's input.

It decimated AMD cards with underpowered tessellation. have a look at the FuryX, it takes less of a performance hit than the 980Ti when enabling hairworks. There are no options to lower tessellation levels.
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The option to lower tessellation is there I believe "nVidia Hairworks preset". I might be wrong on that, but past that there is "nVidia Hairworks AA" which was also set crazy high by default - and failing the ingame option, an early work around was limiting tessellation in the drivers to fix performance.

There's that magic word again, even although examples you have shown indicate the complete opposite to "gimping"
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So now you don't have an issue with me using Gimpworks, but more the word gimp itself? Everyone knows what gimp means, it's no magic word - and the examples definitely don't show the opposite. lol
 
Gregster said:
You know that. In a thread discussing Pascal, again we have GameWorks arguments :o

The 1070 looks like the must have card although I will be going for the 1080 and the price of $379 (£314 inclusive of VAT) is very fair if it does indeed beat out a Titan X.

Really excited for these cards and more than I was expecting.

@ Howling - Give it a rest please.
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@ Gregster. You give it a rest? Swing the "other way" for once :) The gameworks argument was not my intention, it was more the outcome of a certain someone derailing.
 
Why would he need to swing the other way in a thread discussing new pascal cards?

And it takes two to tango when it comes to a thread derailment if you just ignore or didn't answer it wouldn't have carried on.

So discuss Pascal or go make a new thread please.
 
it's fine but we can have the Fury X vs 1080 argument in every game thread for the next 18 months. And then you can all blame something irrelevant for your cards failings or successes.
 
TwsT said:
it's fine but we can have the Fury X vs 1080 argument in every game thread for the next 18 months. And then you can all blame something irrelevant for your cards failings or successes.
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I don't care about X vs X. People were using AotS bench results for the GTX 1080 and saying how impressive it is considering it's an AMD biased game - I merely questioned how it was AMD biased when all the results show it's pretty much as neutral as most games. I'd say AotS is a fair bench and GTX1080's impressive performance is impressive, without trying to belittle the test suites. I look forward to seeing more bench results for the 1080 and 1070 without people defending the results where no defense is necessary.
 
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