The P100 which is only being sold for use in supercomputers is well over 600mm2.
So you would expect a Ti/Titan revision to be more around 500 given the foundry have not been making these 16nm chips very long. Or possibly with many disabled cores.
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** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **
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The P100 which is only being sold for use in supercomputers is well over 600mm2.
So you would expect a Ti/Titan revision to be more around 500 given the foundry have not been making these 16nm chips very long. Or possibly with many disabled cores.
Honestly, the performance is as expected, not much of a surprise and not really disapointing either. Thus I think similarly that the 1070 will be 980ti levels of performance, if not slightly higher. The only thorn there is the fact that this performance requires awfuly high clockspeed, suggesting the architecture itself isn't so well optimised or amazing. Which is kinda to be expected, this is Nvidia's first 16FF+ card. And it must do something right if the reference card is capable of reaching clockspeeds Maxwell only could dream of.
But one other thing about performance. This is just the reference card too, we've still yet to see how the AIB partner's cards do too. Considering reference 980ti is just shy of the Titan X and then some of the AIB 980ti's actually beat Titan X without needing large overclocks.
From these benchmarks we've seen, the 1080 get's fairly decent performance at 4k with bell and whistles, but still not quite near 60fps. 1440p is a tad disappointing to me though, but it seems to be able to maintain above 60fps so there's that. Most of all, this gives us an idea of how the 1080ti/Pascal Titan will perform. Perhaps those card may just be able to pull off 4k60 with a single card on some games. But I'm still worried about trying to get 90+ on 1440p with those. Only their actual releases will tell.
Of course with all this neutral (or positive depending on the way you loook at it) guff, there's always a catch. The elephant in the room is of course the price and many of us expected it. Come on... this is Nvidia we are talking about. And price to performance, especially for us Brits is not too great. Considering the 980ti will likely drop in price just a tad (I'd guess at least £450-500 brand new), this founder's edition (and possibly the other 1080s) doesn't really move forward the price to performance too much. That's the killer. Anyone on at least a 980ti or even 980SLI... it's not worth upgrading to a single 1080. As for SLI, we don't how how well these do, Nvidia seems to be focusing support on 2-way so perhaps it'll scale better. But hey, we're pretty much guaranteed price drops when the 1080ti releases, unless that goes for £700+ or something ridiculous. What's the bet that this gen's Titan card will be a little over a grand?
With the price of the 1080, I bet the 1070 will be no less than £350. Are people okay with that? With the £250-320 price range card moving up in price? Depending on what AMD might have to offer with Polaris, there may be no good card to buy at £200-300 this time next month. Perhaps the 1070 might not be able to live up to the 970 in terms of success... it's all dependent on the pricing.
Perhaps this generation won't be what we want it to be, at least those of us looking for 1440p/3440/4k from a single card. Maybe I'll end up skipping Pascal and Vega and I might just grab a cheap 970 to SLI... only time and price-drops will tell.
Apologies for the long post, but I don't visit/post too often so it's kinda balanced. Also is it just me or is Greg's signature constantly changing? One minute he's touting Batman and the next he's bi-GPUal (i.e. he's fine sticking either an Nvidia or an AMD card in his PCIe slot).
But probably the most important question of all here is... can I fry bacon on a 1080 with a backplate?
But one other thing about performance. This is just the reference card too, we've still yet to see how the AIB partner's cards do too. Considering reference 980ti is just shy of the Titan X and then some of the AIB 980ti's actually beat Titan X without needing large overclocks.
From these benchmarks we've seen, the 1080 get's fairly decent performance at 4k with bell and whistles, but still not quite near 60fps. 1440p is a tad disappointing to me though, but it seems to be able to maintain above 60fps so there's that. Most of all, this gives us an idea of how the 1080ti/Pascal Titan will perform. Perhaps those card may just be able to pull off 4k60 with a single card on some games. But I'm still worried about trying to get 90+ on 1440p with those. Only their actual releases will tell.
Of course with all this neutral (or positive depending on the way you loook at it) guff, there's always a catch. The elephant in the room is of course the price and many of us expected it. Come on... this is Nvidia we are talking about. And price to performance, especially for us Brits is not too great. Considering the 980ti will likely drop in price just a tad (I'd guess at least £450-500 brand new), this founder's edition (and possibly the other 1080s) doesn't really move forward the price to performance too much. That's the killer. Anyone on at least a 980ti or even 980SLI... it's not worth upgrading to a single 1080. As for SLI, we don't how how well these do, Nvidia seems to be focusing support on 2-way so perhaps it'll scale better. But hey, we're pretty much guaranteed price drops when the 1080ti releases, unless that goes for £700+ or something ridiculous. What's the bet that this gen's Titan card will be a little over a grand?
With the price of the 1080, I bet the 1070 will be no less than £350. Are people okay with that? With the £250-320 price range card moving up in price? Depending on what AMD might have to offer with Polaris, there may be no good card to buy at £200-300 this time next month. Perhaps the 1070 might not be able to live up to the 970 in terms of success... it's all dependent on the pricing.
Perhaps this generation won't be what we want it to be, at least those of us looking for 1440p/3440/4k from a single card. Maybe I'll end up skipping Pascal and Vega and I might just grab a cheap 970 to SLI... only time and price-drops will tell.
Apologies for the long post, but I don't visit/post too often so it's kinda balanced. Also is it just me or is Greg's signature constantly changing? One minute he's touting Batman and the next he's bi-GPUal (i.e. he's fine sticking either an Nvidia or an AMD card in his PCIe slot).
But probably the most important question of all here is... can I fry bacon on a 1080 with a backplate?
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Decided to skip the 1080 becuase OcUK had the Predator X34 G-Sync monitor for £500 B-Grade!! I feel that will be a much bigger upgrade for me, really hoping it's a good panel, I guess I can always send it back if it's a dud.
Super excited!!
Super excited!!
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It's a guess...with HBM2 costs could be high aswell...hence why the 1080 uses DDR5X
How much do you think a 1080TI will come in at ? By the time prices settle getting another 1080 in sli could be more cost effective and faster...
So it's all swings and roundabouts...if people want to wait 9 months for a TI that's fine...I live for the now and get on with it.
Ill enjoy clicking my 1080 and benching it against my 980ti...is the 150 quid outlay worth it ? That's up to the individual but for me 150 quid is not a lot of money...if I get 30 more fps at super wide 2k then it's great news..
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A lot of the benchmarks are all over the place, some people getting 30FPS in Firestrike non extreme or Ultra, Games running weird.
Thinks it's safer to wit for better drivers and user reviews at this point as these benchmarks and reviews are all over the place.
Thinks it's safer to wit for better drivers and user reviews at this point as these benchmarks and reviews are all over the place.
Yeah, just something I'm looking forward to seeing.
Or hearing.....
what concerns me a little is in the demo they have a extra card in the system just for the audio and physx
hopefully they just doing that bcos they can and it doesnt hit performance too bad on single card, could be great in rpg's and shooters, lots things <3
@easyrider, I know the Aftermarket ones will be cheaper, I thought he was referring to the founder ones.
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I've grown out of the benchmarking.....thing now, I was into it from the Ti4400 days till the 8800 Ultra days but it doesn't do anything for me now. I don't play every game that's going, I choose 4 or 5 and stick to that. I don't game every night, only when I get a notion for it. I don't need to have the fastest card to feel part of a group or whatever, I know what my needs are and I buy to fulfil those needs. For the games that I play now I would rather buy once and buy the 1080Ti but that's just me and the way I work lol.
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It's a guess...with HBM2 costs could be high aswell...hence why the 1080 uses DDR5X
How much do you think a 1080TI will come in at ? By the time prices settle getting another 1080 in sli could be more cost effective and faster...
So it's all swings and roundabouts...if people want to wait 9 months for a TI that's fine...I live for the now and get on with it.
Ill enjoy clicking my 1080 and benching it against my 980ti...is the 150 quid outlay worth it ? That's up to the individual but for me 150 quid is not a lot of money...if I get 30 more fps at super wide 2k then it's great news..
I completely understand where you are coming from and for someone in your situation that makes sense to do and I would agree with you.
But you seem to be confused like as if everyone thinks and feels the same as you do. Guy just said he will likely keep the card for a very long time. Therefore your advice needs to take his needs into consideration, otherwise it comes of looking careless and worthless.
Just like saying X34 monitor and 3440x1440 is best. For some this may hold true, for others not so much. It is not a universal thing. Not everyone is the same, if you consider that before posting, it would help a lot
Haha. You posted that while I was still typing my message and it perfectly supports what I was trying to explain to him
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It's a guess...with HBM2 costs could be high aswell...hence why the 1080 uses DDR5X
How much do you think a 1080TI will come in at ? By the time prices settle getting another 1080 in sli could be more cost effective and faster...
So it's all swings and roundabouts...if people want to wait 9 months for a TI that's fine...I live for the now and get on with it.
Ill enjoy clicking my 1080 and benching it against my 980ti...is the 150 quid outlay worth it ? That's up to the individual but for me 150 quid is not a lot of money...if I get 30 more fps at super wide 2k then it's great news..
Was not long ago you were holding on to your 980ti which would have been a smart move if it was a decent chip. The Easy shuffle is decent strategy but in this case was probaby not worth the hastle. Let's see though it might play out in time as a decent move. If Vega comes out in October I forsee this mid range card getting spanked. The next ti will almost certainly make it look pedestrian.
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Your post was the most rational I've read since poring over the reviews and visiting this thread. I've think you've summed up things nicely.
Not everyone here is upgrading from a 980TI. I'll be upgrading from a 970 to a 1080 and doing the CPU/mobo at the same time, so I'm probably looking at a 100% increase in FPS in most games. That's a significant upgrade for me.. Well, I hope - I want to see a quiet cooler foremost, and perhaps a bit of OC potential.
Out of curiosity what CPU will you be upgrading from and to?
Think I'll wait for the next gen of CPU's before upgrading.
Why the **** are people calling it a mid range card?!! At the moment there is no card that can beat it, not from AMD not from NVIDIA.
Sure it will become that in future just like any other top end card in the past. We don't even know if there will be a 1080Ti or new Titan X at the moment.
Sure it will become that in future just like any other top end card in the past. We don't even know if there will be a 1080Ti or new Titan X at the moment.
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Because it's made using the mid range GPU of the full pascal range. Are you new to Computer hardware?
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From what I've seen I wouldn't really call the 1080 underwhelming but it basically seems adequate. A simple case of Nvidia doing what they need to do and not an inch more.
The 1070 on the other hand seems (specs wise) like it will end up being underwhelming. It's definitely a case of waiting to see what comes around next time for me.
The 1070 on the other hand seems (specs wise) like it will end up being underwhelming. It's definitely a case of waiting to see what comes around next time for me.
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because it's only half the size of Gm200, only has 7.2billion transistors a 256-bit bus and 2560 cuda cores, though it performs great yes it's still a mid range chip the high end chip will be GP100 is just like back in 2014 980 is a small chip yet still performed like a high end