OC potential of the AIB custom cards is going to be the one to watch. We know what to expect from the FE reviews now, so we need to see what the custom ones bring to the table. Seems likely the custom OC'd 1070 will pull ahead of the 980Ti though.
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** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **
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Caporegime
I just get the feeling the new 16NM and 14NM GPUs from Nvidia and AMD are rather meh,if you look at the last node shrink.
The GTX670 destroyed the GTX580 for under £400:
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/39153-nvidia-geforce-gtx-670/?page=13
The GTX1070 is at most trading blows with the GTX980TI.
The GTX670 destroyed the GTX580 for under £400:
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/39153-nvidia-geforce-gtx-670/?page=13
The GTX1070 is at most trading blows with the GTX980TI.
Soldato
Fast sync. Will it work with any monitor or do I have to have like a fast sync compatible one?
I have an older monitor and it tears like mad.
I have an older monitor and it tears like mad.
Soldato
From what i've seen of that in reviews, it mainly relates to VR rather than monitors i think. Not certain though...
But there was no 580 Ti. The 1070 destroys the 980 at a cheaper price point. I'm all for ripping on Nvidia for their greed and drip-feeding, but the 1070 looks like it offers very good performance for its price tag to me. It may not be as close to the 1080 as some were hoping, but it was never going to be with such a huge price gap in play. Judge it on what it is, not what you wanted it to be.
Caporegime
Looks to me like it is close to the 1080, ~20% and at a lower clock rate, makes you wonder why is the 1080 £300 more?
it will work on any monitor . you need to change the option in Nvidia control panel under the vertical sync option .(Make sure you disable normal vertical sync in your games.)
Associate
There was no 580 Ti because 580 was the "full-fat" Fermi.
Yes, the 680 was better than 580, but it was a half-Kepler (256-bit being a telltale sign) with 780 being the real deal.
Similarly, 980 was a 256-bit half-Maxwell, with 384-bit Titan X being the fully realized iteration of the architecture.
With the old, pre-GTX naming scheme (7800, 8800), the GTX1080 would be a "600" part, and the upcoming GP102 would be the "800".
Regardless, the 1070 is good for price : performance.
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Caporegime
Who cares what the names were - they are done by marketing. I am judging it by the last few node shrinks.
The GTX580 was the equivalent of the Titan X today with a nearly 600MM2 die and a fully enabled set of shaders.
The reference GTX580TI was destroyed by the reference GTX670 at $399 by 20% whereas the GTX1070 is $379 to $449 and can barely beat the GTX980TI/Titan X in the same vein.
Even the GTX470 was around 20% faster than the GTX285.
The whole extended milking on 28NM and the price rises from BOTH AMD and Nvidia(AMD are no better) has meant people have such low expectations they are amazed the 70 series card barely match the last high end.
The last TWO 70 series cards at a new node shrink have beaten the high end card of the previous generation by 20% or thereabouts.
People don't seem to realise how much of a fail this generation is - the GTX970 managed to match the GTX780TI using the same node and drop power consumption.
So the GTX1070 doing the same with a 1.5 node shrink is not very encourging for 16NM and probably 14NM by extension.
I just feel AMD will follow suite too and the milking will be complete.
If you put all the new GPU launches in order from smallest performance bump to largest the 1080 will absolutely be in the top half of performance bumps, probably in the top quartile. It's around 70-80% faster than the 980. Most new generations rarely quite hit that, more like 50-70%. The biggest jumps are and far between and are more like 80-90% faster.
I think people just have unrealistic expections. TSMC claims their 16nmFF+ process facilities around 60% faster chips! nvidia are beating that and cutting power at the same time.
I think people are also DoF used by the fact that neither AMD nor nvidia launch the biggest chips first due to yields and process immaturity. Thus we jump from high-end to midrange which is obviously a smaller jump that high to high.
Caporegime
It does not change the fact that the 296MM2 GK104 based GTX670 was around 20% faster than the 565MM2 GF110 based card at around $400.
The 314MM2 GP104 based GTX1070 barely matches a 600MM2 GM200 based card at a similar price-point of $400.
Even the GTX470 was around 20% faster than the GTX285.
As new node 70 series parts go,the GTX1070 is the relatively worst one we got for years,and seems far more gimped than the GTX470 or GTX670.
Both the GTX470 and GTX670 were much closer to the top cards than the GTX1070 is to the GTX1080.
Years of price increases and stagnation on 28NM and the fact 20NM was not viable,have made people forget the kind of increases we used to be getting with new nodes.
This is why I see Nvidia and AMD just milking 14NM/16NM even more than 28NM.
The GTX1060TI/GTX1060 and Polaris 10 are probably going to be £250 and will barely beat a GTX980/R9 390X at this rate.
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Exactly my position. I've got two Titan-x on AIO's and I see no reason to upgrade. I'm not interested in VR so I'm quite happy to sit tight and wait to see what the 1080ti or Titan-?? brings.
Everything else so far looks like a side-grade to me?
Associate
Those were the days, and this was going from 130nm to 110nm, if I remember correctly...7800GTX Review
Soldato
1070 looks a decent card for the price - may get one depending on whether or not I can be bothered putting the stock coolers back on my watercooled 970s to sell them.
Won't be much of an increase over properly scaling games in SLI of course but no more SLI headaches. VR performance could also be a factor as support for VR SLI seems to very slow to non existent...
Won't be much of an increase over properly scaling games in SLI of course but no more SLI headaches. VR performance could also be a factor as support for VR SLI seems to very slow to non existent...
Associate
Good decision. At least when the 1080ti launches, the 1070 won't have it's selling price affected as much as the 1080 (i.e. one won't much as much of a loss).
As for 1070, I'm seeing all sorts. It looks to me like the 970 vs the 780ti, when compared to 980ti and TitanX. The first and only video I've watched at this point is the LinusTechTips 1070 video, most other folks haven't got their stuff out yet for the 1070, doesn't help that many of them are at computex. I bet as drivers improve and as we get non-FE 1070 cards (which don't thermal throttle cos the 1070 still has temperature issues like the 1080 it seems), the 1070 will pull away from the 980ti/TitanX.
Performance-wise, it's good as long as it's a bit better than Maxwell's best, but of course the price is as we predicted from the 1080 pricing. As expected I say. FE is overpriced and the minimum is somewhere over £300. Unfortunately nobody has stocked it yet for pre-order, so we'll have to wait for confirmation on UK pricing. If the good models of 1070, are £100 more (£370+) than the good models of 970 (£280+) were last year... then things maybe won't quite go as well as they did for 970.
1070 SLI is a good choice for high FPS 1440p, 1440p UW or 4k60, but of course this is all dependent on game drivers supporting SLI well. Hopefuly Nvidia's improvements wil make it work better, but it would still beat single 1080 (at slightly more cost) even with bad scaling seeing as how it's fairly close to 1080. OC AIB 1070 should get close to stock 1080 as the 970 did for 980.
Still, unlike the 1080, the 1070 is a better buy as it outright beats all the cards around it in its price-bracket by a significant amount. Some benchmarks show nearly 70% over the 970.
Let's hope the 1080ti is as good as the 980ti was. All eye's are now on that. Except folks who bought their 1080's and will be sad when the 1080ti releases. Finger's crossed.
I think you should get used to gains not always being as big as before going forward. We'll get the odd time when major architectural changes coincidence with a new node shrink or something, but otherwise, things are just getting much harder and more expensive to find the improvements that people have gotten used to.
In terms of the 1070 not being 20% more than the 980Ti like the 670 was over the 580:
1) The 1070 is more 'cut down' than the 670 was.
2) Pascal is not the same leap that Fermi->Kepler was. I think Pascal is more than just 'shrunk Maxwell'(you dont get these sort of clock gains for free), but it's also certainly not a major architectural change, either. Pascal was only inserted into the lineup a couple years ago, where Maxwell and Volta were the main architectural 'revolutions' that they were working on.
In terms of Nvidia/AMD 'milking' anything, do you think Nvidia just has Volta sitting on the shelf somewhere? Pascal was brought in *because* Volta is not ready and wont be for a little while. The alternative was that they stay on 28nm Maxwell until Volta was ready. You'd have been ok with that?
And neither Nvidia/AMD can do anything about the length of time it takes for the next process shrink to come about. I'm sure Nvidia were originally planning to release Maxwell alongside 20nm wayback when they first started working on Maxwell, but obviously those plans were scuppered. Releasing Maxwell on 28nm wasn't 'milking' anything, it was them doing what they could to release an improved product, which is what customers expect.
As I said, improvements are becoming harder and more expensive to come by. Moore's Low is slowly coming to an end and that will continue until some serious breakthroughs get made.
I'm lucky that in all the games I'm actually playing, have really good SLI scaling, so my two 970's are giving almost exactly the same performance as a 1070, + or - 5% ('ish).
If I am going to ditch SLI for a single card, it's going to have to have at least a 50% gain for me to consider it, so it looks like the wait for the 1080Ti is what it's going to be.
..and it looks like a 1080Ti won't be that much more expensive than two 1070's.
If I am going to ditch SLI for a single card, it's going to have to have at least a 50% gain for me to consider it, so it looks like the wait for the 1080Ti is what it's going to be.
..and it looks like a 1080Ti won't be that much more expensive than two 1070's.