Poll: The Official OcUK EU Referendum Exit poll (and results discussion thread)

[Raymond Lin]

You do have to explain it because it's an idiotic view to take. Unless the elder person is an utter retard, how can you possibly believe that the sum of their life experience doesn't make them better placed to make a decision of this magnitude than someone who has been alive quarter as long and hasn't got a clue? The arrogance of that is incredible.

Then we are going round in circles.

If you believe that someone who is older automatically means they know better then you really ought to prove it to me what these experiences that they encountered that made them form these views. Either social, economic, political or legal.

Just saying they are older and they know better holds no water.

 

[Cern]

I can't see the UK Government cutting subsidies for Farmers.

As I've said before, I don't particularly agree with subsidies, as many receive them unnecessarily and those receiving the largest sums of moneys very often don't need it.

Well I suspect they won't be getting those subsidies for much longer anyway, so we'll have to see what impact it has.

The UK government is likely to have to go for another round of austerity (even before Brexit this was on the cards) so why are farm subsidies any more likely to survive the axe than welfare benefits, the NHS or any other form of support?

 

[Tosno]

The youth are the future whether you like it or not, it's just the way it is and always has been.

Future daily mail readers when they are old being called fascist by the next lot of youth. It's just the way it is and always has been.

 

[RoboCod]

I am 63 and voted to leave. I voted for the EEC in 1975. I vote in every election for MP, MEP, council and police commissioner's. I made my choice based on my whole life experience and my current views on what is best for the whole of this country.

Immigration is a small factor for me. I do not mind people from all other countries being able to live, work and be educated here.

I do have a concern for the total size of the population however and its rate of growth. The UK has twice the population density of France, Spain etc.and is greater than that of Germany. Currently 65 million rising at 0.5 million per year.

I apologise if you feel that I have acted unfairly in this. You will have as many or more choices in life as I have had. I worked in non EEC Spain in 1979. I have travelled widely (with passport and appropriate visa as necessary).

I believe all countries should be able to make their own laws, control their borders and live peaceably with their neighbours.

Anyway I have no regrets and I made the correct choice.

Sounds like a completely informed and considered vote to be fair. If only everyone acted the same though eh.

 

[Efour]

Respectful Post

I do have a concern for the total size of the population however and its rate of growth. The UK has twice the population density of France, Spain etc.and is greater than that of Germany. Currently 65 million rising at 0.5 million per year.

I respect all that you say except the part on population control and growth.
I do not see there being much change long term.
If and when Britain needs cheap labour and if the "homegrown kids" don't get off their asses to do it there will be a way to let them in. I don't think any government will stop this or has the real interests to stop it.
Ever increasing growth is the capitalist model of success and that relies on endless cheap labour.

It's a long term cultural shift i guess we shall see in 25 years if you are still with us (i know ill be dead at 65!)

 

[Hagar]

so where are they going to get them from ? Ask the BofE to print them out an extra 3 billion a year to pay them off ?

Use the money that we currently pay. EU subsidy to farmers comes from the UK taxpayer.

 

[Raymond Lin]

I am 63 and voted to leave. I voted for the EEC in 1975. I vote in every election for MP, MEP, council and police commissioner's. I made my choice based on my whole life experience and my current views on what is best for the whole of this country.

Immigration is a small factor for me. I do not mind people from all other countries being able to live, work and be educated here.

I do have a concern for the total size of the population however and its rate of growth. The UK has twice the population density of France, Spain etc.and is greater than that of Germany. Currently 65 million rising at 0.5 million per year.

I apologise if you feel that I have acted unfairly in this. You will have as many or more choices in life as I have had. I worked in non EEC Spain in 1979. I have travelled widely (with passport and appropriate visa as necessary).

I believe all countries should be able to make their own laws, control their borders and live peaceably with their neighbours.

Anyway I have no regrets and I made the correct choice.

Sounds like a completely informed and considered vote to be fair. If only everyone acted the same though eh.

I agree and I respect that.

 

[Feronix]

I meant they'd have a better understanding of life in a non-EU UK over a teen or early twenties person who has never known any different. So what exactly is your problem with that? It's fact

You absolutely cannot compare the UK in the '70s to what it is now. You're talking about over 40 years ago, the world has changed drastically and was a lot bigger then.

Back then there wasn't really internet to buy things on, communicate with people in different countries or educate yourself on. There weren't corporations as massive as they are now in the tech industry offering thousands of jobs. Flights weren't as cheap as 30 quid to fly to the EU mainland and back for business, or even pleasure.

You cannot compare the world of 40 years ago to what it is now. Just because it worked better then, doesn't mean it will these days.

 

[Caged]

Use the money that we currently pay. EU subsidy to farmers comes from the UK taxpayer.

But it's being used to build hospitals

 

[Jokester]

But the vote as already happened we are coming out of the EU so why pre long it?

The vote isn't legalling binding. Until someone in government submits to leave under Article 50 anything could happen. We will be negotiating with the EU the best possible solution for both parties - if that means removal of free-movement for the UK, whilst staying the EU for me that is the quickest and easiest way of maintaining free trade with the UK that mainland industry is desperate to maintain whilst also keeping the EU afloat.

A protracted and acrimonious break up will have massive impacts on the Eurozone that the EU are terrified of happening.

 

[Caged]

Jokester I think you're being optimistic bordering on naive.

 

[Glaucus]

Use the money that we currently pay. EU subsidy to farmers comes from the UK taxpayer.

oh dear lord.
that isn't going to happen, we aren't going to be able to put a single penny of that, back into such things.

not only was the figure used in the campaign an utterly lie,
we now have to massively expand government to be able to do multiple deals.
then ontop of that we will have to pay for such deals.

for example Norway pays basically the same per head into the Eu as we currently do for access to the single market, as well as having to accept free movement.

and tahts before you take into account the inevitable insecurity and drop in the market and pound.
as we inport far more than we export, any drop is bad. despite what so many people say. we can export more so drop in pound is good. we aren't going to suddenly start exporting more than we import.

 

[Jokester]

But they see it as a package. The single market. Hence why they won't talk to Switzerland about changing their deal to not include it (even though they don't even get as good a trade deal, they still have to accept the free movement of people it).

Then the EU has a very real risk of burning then.

That is the choice the EU government needs to make.

 

[Captain]

Because Junkers said so before the referendum?

It's politics - nothing more than a game of poker, Junker raised the stakes, we called their bluff and we now hold a strong hand whilst they hold the joker of an imploding European Banking System.

We are coming out of the EU and that's final, the country would go into chaos if we remained now.

 

[Locky]

So the Scots are off along with NI. Oh well..

 

[n111ck]

Then the EU has a very real risk of burning then.

That is the choice the EU government needs to make.

This. Once all the hysteria dies down the reality is we are in a much stronger position than them.

 

[Hagar]

The vote isn't legalling binding. Until someone in government submits to leave under Article 50 anything could happen. We will be negotiating with the EU the best possible solution for both parties - if that means removal of free-movement for the UK, whilst staying the EU for me that is the quickest and easiest way of maintaining free trade with the UK that mainland industry is desperate to maintain whilst also keeping the EU afloat.

A protracted and acrimonious break up will have massive impacts on the Eurozone that the EU are terrified of happening.

The vote is legally binding, the population has authorised the government to leave the EU.

 

[Six6siX]

The vote isn't legalling binding. Until someone in government submits to leave under Article 50 anything could happen. We will be negotiating with the EU the best possible solution for both parties - if that means removal of free-movement for the UK, whilst staying the EU for me that is the quickest and easiest way of maintaining free trade with the UK that mainland industry is desperate to maintain whilst also keeping the EU afloat.

A protracted and acrimonious break up will have massive impacts on the Eurozone that the EU are terrified of happening.

If a deal like that is forged (I think it is unlikely) and accepted, it flies in the face of everyone that shouted "But mah sovereignteeeee!!!11" and pretty much proves this was always about immigration and nothing more.

I also don't think there will any scope to leave the power aspect to the side either - the more extreme government we are going to have is surely going to want every bit of power they can have and staying in after a Leave vote would go against that.

 

[Cern]

Use the money that we currently pay. EU subsidy to farmers comes from the UK taxpayer.

But the UK taxpayer constantly demands to pay less tax, to provide less welfare, to support less subsidies. Add to that the austerity measures forced on us by repeated financial crises and there just isn't going to be money to do this.

 

[easyrider]

The vote isn't legalling binding. Until someone in government submits to leave under Article 50 anything could happen. We will be negotiating with the EU the best possible solution for both parties - if that means removal of free-movement for the UK, whilst staying the EU for me that is the quickest and easiest way of maintaining free trade with the UK that mainland industry is desperate to maintain whilst also keeping the EU afloat.

A protracted and acrimonious break up will have massive impacts on the Eurozone that the EU are terrified of happening.

There would be a revolution.

The public want out...that's the bottom line...