Poll: The Official OcUK EU Referendum Exit poll (and results discussion thread)

[Raymond Lin]

I meant they'd have a better understanding of life in a non-EU UK over a teen or early twenties person who has never known any different. So what exactly is your problem with that? It's fact

The point is that just because you are older, doesn't automatically mean you know better.

Can't believe I actually had to explain that.

 

[Caged]

What a stupid comment to make!

Does knowledge of the EU just enter you via osmosis as you age then? Or perhaps you've had decades of exposure to a eurosceptic press and successive governments. Either way, it's not really a counter to the idea that age alone doesn't make someone more qualified to make a call on this.

 

[Captain]

We haven't actually said good bye yet. We've instructed the government we wish to leave, it's upto them to either do that or negotiate a better solution for all parties involved.

There's no other solution other than to leave, what's the point in a referendum if we then negotiate a deal to stay?

 

[TaKeN]

Our farming industry is currently propped up by EU subsidies.

Good luck taking on the might of the supermarkets without that support.

I can't see the UK Government cutting subsidies for Farmers.

As I've said before, I don't particularly agree with subsidies, as many receive them unnecessarily and those receiving the largest sums of moneys very often don't need it.

 

[itchy]

Being less stupid than you were at 20 =/= more informed on something that leading researchers can't even be sure about.

Experts and leading researches I don't put any faith in to be honest.

They just follow the money.

 

[wildman]

But has it crashed? No. Is it worthless? No. Yes its worth less than it was yesterday but 1.4 rather than 1.6 isnt the end of the world is it?

oh dear........... that's a 12.5% drop, for a UK based company that operates globally and deals in USD that is a massive deal. The basic lack of comprehension on what a drop of this size means in real terms for a lot of companies that trade globally out of the UK is astounding. Yeah it means nothing to someone taking a jolly in the USA in disney land for 2 weeks, but for companies turning over millions every week / billions a month it's a massive kick in the balls.

 

[Jokester]

Will the free trade deal be tied to accepting the free movement of people, though? And it's not about somewhere like Greece trying to get a special deal we get, it's somewhere like France... if we get a great trading arrangement, without stuff like the free movement of people, you can bet your bottom Dollar the Front National will run on a ticket of getting a Frexit followed by the same deal. That could kill the EU.

You know the EU believes the free movement of people is a positive benefit? They don't consider it a bad point and the free trade is the sweetner deal to accept it.

There's a distinct possibility the UK leaving the EU will kill the EU!

 

[delta0]

if the Uk negotiates a decent trade deal but with allowing a free movement caveat will you guys be happy ?

I could deal with that if it allows restriction on certain countries. They will need to go through the normal process that immigrants go through from outside the EU. That is fair.

 

[Glaucus]

I can't see the UK Government cutting subsidies for Farmers.

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you know whos in power yeah?
and they have just been given a mandate to be even more extreme.

 

[itchy]

Does knowledge of the EU just enter you via osmosis as you age then? Or perhaps you've had decades of exposure to a eurosceptic press and successive governments. Either way, it's not really a counter to the idea that age alone doesn't make someone more qualified to make a call on this.

Go ask a 10 year old about the EU?

Your point is ?

 

[B&W]

I'm defending old people against the all knowing youth. The poll keep being posted here is not true as it's private. Misinformation to rally uneducated remain voters.

The youth are the future whether you like it or not, it's just the way it is and always has been.

 

[wildman]

I can't see the UK Government cutting subsidies for Farmers.

As I've said before, I don't particularly agree with subsidies, as many receive them unnecessarily and those receiving the largest sums of moneys very often don't need it.

so where are they going to get them from ? Ask the BofE to print them out an extra 3 billion a year to pay them off ?

 

[The Mad Rapper]

The point is that just because you are older, doesn't automatically mean you know better.

Can't believe I actually had to explain that.

You do have to explain it because it's an idiotic view to take. Unless the elder person is an utter retard, how can you possibly believe that the sum of their life experience doesn't make them better placed to make a decision of this magnitude than someone who has been alive quarter as long and hasn't got a clue? The arrogance of that is incredible.

 

[Destination]

The NFU thought it played a major part back in 2014..

hmm from that site

Driving export success
Food and drink is now the UK’s fourth largest exporting sector. The export of food and non-alcoholic drinks grew by 5% in 2013 to £12.8bn.
Agricultural goods are prominent among the stand-out performers.

Our GDP is what 2trillion? So 0.6% of our GDP is from farming exports?
NFU might be overplaying their hand, especially given they will expect the British taxpayer to fund the loss of farming subsidy.
I believe farm subsidies were £3.3 billion last year.

 

[Raymond Lin]

Indeed. My own grandparents (who live in Scotland quite interestingly) and are English said to me the other day "you better be voting leave! Not so long ago Germany tried to control Europe, the nazis nearly won. Be sure to vote out!!". They're Pro REMAIN for Scotland in the UK though... Hmm.

I was startled and also ashamed of them but clearly there was no point discussing the matter, there is no way they would alter their opinion now and we'd just end in an argument on the matter, so I just awkwardly chuckled and moved the topic along. Back then I was quite optimistic the leave vote didn't have a look in..... Oops.

The thing is...if we don't the Germans to "win", we need to be on the same side as them. The whole "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" thing really. Going on the opposite side of a trade agreement isn't exactly a winning position, especially with us being a lot smaller than the EU Bloc.

 

[Caged]

Go ask a 10 year old about the EU?

Your point is ?

My point is literally written in the post you quoted, and has been pretty consistent throughout the thread that you've been responding to.

 

[Jokester]

There's no other solution other than to leave, what's the point in a referendum if we then negotiate a deal to stay?

Because Junkers said so before the referendum?

It's politics - nothing more than a game of poker, Junker raised the stakes, we called their bluff and we now hold a strong hand whilst they hold the joker of an imploding European Banking System.

 

[easyrider]

Of course they do, it's the anti-nuclear button to them. They need to resolve this asap to prevent the Eurozone disintegrating. It's in our interest to stall and negotiate to stay in the EU with terms deemed favourable to the public. We are the party that is in control of the situation at the moment.

But the vote as already happened we are coming out of the EU so why pre long it?

 

[JohnnyG]

Indeed. My own grandparents (who live in Scotland quite interestingly) and are English said to me the other day "you better be voting leave! Not so long ago Germany tried to control Europe, the nazis nearly won. Be sure to vote out!!". They're Pro REMAIN for Scotland in the UK though... Hmm.

I was startled and also ashamed of them but clearly there was no point discussing the matter, there is no way they would alter their opinion now and we'd just end in an argument on the matter, so I just awkwardly chuckled and moved the topic along. Back then I was quite optimistic the leave vote didn't have a look in..... Oops.

That's terrible, have you ever thought they might be ashamed of you?
Never be ashamed of someone else's opinions just because you don't share them.

 

[Caged]

You do have to explain it because it's an idiotic view to take. Unless the elder person is an utter retard, how can you possibly believe that the sum of their life experience doesn't make them better placed to make a decision of this magnitude than someone who has been alive quarter as long and hasn't got a clue? The arrogance of that is incredible.

Because you're assuming that more life experience translates to being better informed about the institutions and treaties of the EU. It's an insane position to take.