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Actually, the most pressing question and burning issue is this:
How much more Alpha is Tosno now?
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Actually, the most pressing question and burning issue is this:
How much more Alpha is Tosno now?
a middle ground will not be found without the inclsuion of free movement of people. This is a fact. If the UK don't are can't accept that then there will be no free trade. moreover there are no stipulations that any trade agreements need to be in place by the time the 2 year period finishes. If the UK cannot find any concession then they get cut lose with or without their trade agreement. The EU will find a way (likely via the ECB) to re stabilise it's remaining members and they key indsutries while the UK flounders around like a fish out of water. The perceived dream position brexiters purport we will get is just that, a dream. The EU will never concede free trade without free movement of people.
leaving the EU but remaining part of the EEA might sound nice, but again this means 1. still paying the EU and 2. accepting free movement of people. Both of which are points the brexit camp campaigned saying if we leave we get to keep our money and curb EU immigration. The main difference now would be that we follow those rules still but no longer have any seat at the table where they are now conceived.
The EU will never agree to free trade without free movement of people, so I hope everyone starts getting that into their thought patterns quickly and don't waste the little time we will be afforded kicking a dead horse
I'm not really sure about the first bit sorry. Still haven't slept so my bad.
You're right money does talk and it's probably the biggest persuasive thing in the world. I highly doubt they'll shoot themselves in the foot to spite us but they've still got to make it look highly unattractive to do as we've done otherwise they risk other nations pushing through a referendum which would cost them even more money.
It's all still relativly unknown but personally I don't believe it should be written off as doom and gloom as it's quite relevant.
Take it you not up on the British way of thinking.
Its called urinate us off and we will bite back big time.
Same as Russian bear etc. Do not mess with us period, we have balls and teeth made of titanium.
Yep but that was misconceived... even within the EU "free movement" there should have been rules, people cannot come here just because you get benefits (as said earlier I am not British so calm your fingers down!) that ****es me off that I am not from the UK lol. One moves for other reasons not for freebies...
This is an EU issue...
Well I'm going to bed, this is too depressing.
I think we've just voted to leave a flawed but ultimately incredibly noble supranational organisation that had a net positive effect for all the citizens that were fortunate enough to be a part of it, and we've voted that way either as a protest vote or due to immigration concerns. Now the campaign that led us in that direction are backtracking on their core messages, we've had a protest vote against an organisation that we didn't understand or just simply against the current government, our economy is screwed massively at least until we make a decision on what's going to happen next, and our Prime Minister's resigned.
And somehow people are optimistic enough that they believe the Blitz spirit will prevail - the same Great British public that don't know what the EU is and will cast a vote without doing the most basic research are also the people with the nous and dedication to make it all OK? Forgive me for not being optimistic about this one.
I think we've just voted to leave a flawed but ultimately incredibly noble supranational organisation that had a net positive effect for all the citizens that were fortunate enough to be a part of it, and we've voted that way either as a protest vote or due to immigration concerns. Now the campaign that led us in that direction are backtracking on their core messages, we've had a protest vote against an organisation that we didn't understand or just simply against the current government, our economy is screwed massively at least until we make a decision on what's going to happen next, and our Prime Minister's resigned.
And somehow people are optimistic enough that they believe the Blitz spirit will prevail - the same Great British public that don't know what the EU is and will cast a vote without doing the most basic research are also the people with the nous and dedication to make it all OK? Forgive me for not being optimistic about this one.
Again this ^
I don't believe there will ever be a concession on free market access without freedom of movement, if there was we wouldn't be looking at leaving.
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the silent victims of brexit
sorry lad, you lost. time to move on eh.
I think you'll find its less about "loss", more a realisation of just how far leave are going to start backtracking (not that it will surprise many on the remain side).
Actually high interest Loans from the ESM and the ECT.
While full control of their budget with automatic mechanisms to apply additional taxes and austerity, from the above unelected organizations, without the consent of the government.
Same as Greece, Spain, Portugal, Cyprus and Ireland.
It might be misconceived but it will likely come down to "swallow it or dont have free market access" and being out of the EU simply means you hold no sway to ever change it.
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Take it you not up on the British way of thinking.
Its called urinate us off and we will bite back big time.
Same as Russian bear etc. Do not mess with us period, we have balls and teeth made of titanium.
Right, ok then.
This is just hyperbole, yes? Or do you really believe it?
Oo it's fact!
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Careful, you might just burst some bubble here. Better to be quiet and let them revel in the victory
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Yep that is for sure (I mean I was okay with the UK in EU now I will need a work permit like a Mexican in USA
) however I also understand the reasoning behind the leaving, I cant' stand France and Germany, they are two arrogant countries which need a very very very good lesson.Canada got free market access without freedom of movement.
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It's the sort of meaningless hyperbole that got us in this mess.
yes it's an EU issue and it's one that will not get resolved by the UK trying to get their cake and eating it. The EU, central banks of each EU nation and the ECB will see to that. There is no way that the UK will be able to effectively get the EU to sign its own death warrant by making sweeping changes to freedom of movement to appease the UK. Yes it might come later, but before that happens the UK are going to get it from both barrels and be left to sort themselves out. The EU will never rescind their free movement of people ideals. Once the UK has been dealt with the EU might go through a lengthy period of reform and changes might come later. The UK may then in 10 + years think rejoining the EU would be right at which point they'll get hammered again with a crap ton of joining regulations like accepting single currency
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