So when are we going to get our lands and borders back in France?
Funny how these migrants are on French soil. We just need to get ultra tough with the migrants in Calais
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So when are we going to get our lands and borders back in France?
Funny how these migrants are on French soil. We just need to get ultra tough with the migrants in Calais
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Come on Deuse.
What have you to say?
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=29683113&postcount=5054
The risk is real, it has a high probability according to most models and it's what most large companies and investors are preparing for.
And if Cameron kept his promise and invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty. That wouldn't of happened. Blame the PM.
You do make a point, but also this was 40 years ago. The world is a lot different now. They didn't have cheap flights in and out of Europe, they didn't have jobs such as website designers and other technical things that are huge now.
The internet barely existed, on which they could buy and sell things, discuss situations with people from all over the world and educate themselves.
Even the elderly are jumping in blind and have no idea what to expect. Those who went for a nostalgia vote and think everything will be the way it was 40 years ago are horribly mistaken.
Yes, a huge risk.
Just look at the likes of what Moody's and S&P are saying and doing.
Economically we've done the equivalent of shooting ourselves in the foot right before a marathon.
Just flicking through the news this morning and it looks like the EU are showing their hand a bit already. They have mentioned Switzerland and Norway type agreements. Obviously this comes down to what is negotiated but this is very positive!
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There is potential risk. At the moment the markets response is almost purely speculative and 'seems' to have leveled out a little albeit with somewhere in the realms of 1.2Trillion shaved of the global market. The problem now facing the UK is that there is no plan. Brexit has been voted on and the leave proponents don't have a clue as to how to proceed. David Cameron has effectively jumped ship and you are now faced with a potential government led by the likes of UKIP or Boris.
Medium term, the UK is faced with two years minimum of uncertainty, trade will effectively operate as status quo but industry and manufacturing will stop taking large risks as the current agreements built around the free trade and free services market of the EU could fall apart at any time.
Long term - no-one knows. Eventually the UK will recover, but how much damage will be done and what the recession effect will look like is going to be hard to gauge at this early stage.
Long story short - things from a speculative position are not looking good. The downside of speculation and perception is that they become reality all too easily and the UK is not strong enough to deal with another GFC and come out unscathed. The lower socio-economic groups are going to bear the tax brunt of this and their quality of life will fall. How far is the question.
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"The mayor of Calais wants changes to a deal " "to press this request for a review" means nothing.
They have a deal, now live with it.
rofl so this is the new mentality then.
Each time any of the predicted problems pops up, there's going to be a default position of "BLAME DC"
Hilarious!
So much sower grapes, typical of the "younger Generation" me me me attitude.
Well here is the flip side for others in my age group who have worked there asses off for 30 years under the common market and the EU this a big wake up call. Like the so called younger generation I voted what is best for me, not YOU.
Its actually quite warming that you think I have help doom a generation
Which i havent.
Well here is the flip side for others in my age group who have worked there asses off for 30 years under the common market and the EU this a big wake up call. Like the so called younger generation I voted what is best for me, not YOU.
Its actually quite warming that you think I have help doom a generation
Which i havent.The EU have already said they will do a deal asap.
"Britons decided yesterday that they want to leave the European Union, so it doesn't make any sense to wait until October to try to negotiate the terms of their departure - I would like to get started immediately."
It was Cameron's fault for this not moving faster.
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I read a lot the last 24 hours going from ageism and racism all way fascism and hypocrisy.
Cool down guys. We have plenty of work in front of us. Infighting ain't going to do that nor help.
Show some patriotism and optimism. We voted for Independence from the EU and possibly we are the only country ever that gained Independence without having few thousands dying on fighting.
When the American Colonists declared their Independence from England, at no moment they considered to concede due to high casualties and the devastation we brought upon them. Because in reality, England beat the crap out of them on every major battle.
They still had voices not to have a leap in the dark, and some infighting, supporting both sides. The end result though was a brand new free country that started with a handful of people and a ruined economy.
And see today the reactions of the EU Elite against our elected members and us the electorate. They have fit on their media because soon their dubious positions going to be in question.
Do not be pessimistic, we are a world power both financially and military, with ruling seat in UN.
Which we were ready to lose as per EU request last year, alongside with the French seat, to be replaced with a single EU seat.
And lets not forget we lost our seat to WTO because EU demanded so to be handed to them.
If they talk about stability in Remain in the EU etc, why they do not react to the EU demands of changing the UN status quo that worked over the last 70 years and avoided world war?
Cool down guys. We have plenty of work in front of us. Infighting ain't going to do that nor help.
Show some patriotism and optimism. We voted for Independence from the EU and possibly we are the only country ever that gained Independence without having few thousands dying on fighting.
When the American Colonists declared their Independence from England, at no moment they considered to concede due to high casualties and the devastation we brought upon them. Because in reality, England beat the crap out of them on every major battle.
They still had voices not to have a leap in the dark, and some infighting, supporting both sides. The end result though was a brand new free country that started with a handful of people and a ruined economy.
And see today the reactions of the EU Elite against our elected members and us the electorate. They have fit on their media because soon their dubious positions going to be in question.
Do not be pessimistic, we are a world power both financially and military, with ruling seat in UN.
Which we were ready to lose as per EU request last year, alongside with the French seat, to be replaced with a single EU seat.
And lets not forget we lost our seat to WTO because EU demanded so to be handed to them.
If they talk about stability in Remain in the EU etc, why they do not react to the EU demands of changing the UN status quo that worked over the last 70 years and avoided world war?
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Norway have freedom of movement, do they not?
So that agreement can be thrown right out.
They want to get an EXIT DEAL done ASAP, that's got nothing to do with our ongoing relationship.
It is along the lines of an agreement that non-EU countries have. However EEA countries such as Norway can apply an emergency brake to stop immigration. It is the right of all EEA countries to do this and it is used frequently.
expected. The rich and elite are throwing their toys out of the pram.
like someone said earlier this morning - feels like we have worked our butts off last 5 years or so to get some semblance of an economy back
and potentially we've just lost the lot
hopefully Conservatives will move to further kerb spending - they'll probably have to
and potentially we've just lost the lot
hopefully Conservatives will move to further kerb spending - they'll probably have to
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