Are you not concerned that people with no power to act on the claims they are making in their campaign are able to make them? Clearly there are a lot of people that believed the claims.
Poll: The Official OcUK EU Referendum Exit poll (and results discussion thread)
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Are you not concerned that people with no power to act on the claims they are making in their campaign are able to make them? Clearly there are a lot of people that believed the claims.
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they didn't say that did they? £350b is what we give gross, £200b net... and we can give that to NHS, vat, what ever we want. Obviously it will need to go to farmers and other investments. No one ever said the full 350 would go on the NHS.[TW]Fox;29689980 said:I'm stunned that the Leave guys in here don't seem to care about the back peddling. Oh yea we didn't actually means 350m for the NHS and we didn't mean it'd reduce immigration. Never mind lollllllll
What else didn't they mean and why don't you care that they misled you?
[TW]Fox;29689980 said:I'm stunned that the Leave guys in here don't seem to care about the back peddling. Oh yea we didn't actually means 350m for the NHS and we didn't mean it'd reduce immigration. Never mind lollllllll
What else didn't they mean and why don't you care that they misled you?
Because we had half a brain and weren't misled..
The saving of 200-350 mil is real once we stop paying, it will be able to go into funding our own projects rather then EU ones.
Just because some soudbite on the side of a bus says "350 mil to the NHS" doesn't mean it's all going there, or any of it if they so choose. If you believed the statement as matter of fact, whilst wearing blinkers to anything it might actually mean in the real world, then you* (*not personally) are a moron.
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Absolutely right. But to be fair, if the vote had gone the other way we'd be feeling pretty fed up and angry too.
Let's wait and see what happens next. I read that Parliment have to vote but can't establish whether the vote is to accept the Referendum result or perhaps something to do with S50. Anyone know?
I stayed well out of the whole debate simply because I believe that the entire referendum took the wrong tone. I also couldn't truly support remain due to their exaggerations and scare tactics even though I believe the idea to leave was insane.
What I find from this is a slight irony. I believe if (and it is a big IF) the EU sticks together and the other countries declaring referendums have them and vote to remain. The stability within the EU is likely to allow them to grow at a greater rate than the UK which is likely to see a period of 6-10 years of uncertainty based on the length of time of negotiations to leave the EU takes.
This in turn could see the £ end up being equal in value to the €. At this point after a brief period on the new deal out of the EU we could easily see a new government pledging to rejoin the EU and convert to the Euro and possibly even Shengen.
This Brexit in the long run could be what brings the UK further into Europe than ever before.
We are in a period of great unknown and uncertainty whatever happens from now is almost impossible to predict.
What I find from this is a slight irony. I believe if (and it is a big IF) the EU sticks together and the other countries declaring referendums have them and vote to remain. The stability within the EU is likely to allow them to grow at a greater rate than the UK which is likely to see a period of 6-10 years of uncertainty based on the length of time of negotiations to leave the EU takes.
This in turn could see the £ end up being equal in value to the €. At this point after a brief period on the new deal out of the EU we could easily see a new government pledging to rejoin the EU and convert to the Euro and possibly even Shengen.
This Brexit in the long run could be what brings the UK further into Europe than ever before.
We are in a period of great unknown and uncertainty whatever happens from now is almost impossible to predict.
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The main positive is that a lot more people voted than in a general election and when the dust settles i hope many more people will think:
1. I really need to make sure i vote
2. We need domestic voting reform
3. Grill the heck out if lying politicians, but, also accept it when they make mistakes. Most of the blagging and lies is to avoid missteos that get picked up and blown out of proportion
I don't see any real benefit of Brexit in the next 10yrs. Longer term i see a benefit to China, the US and other emerging economies if the EU fails
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Indeed. A few posters were worded very badly, but I haven't seen any people actually say that £350m WILL be spent on the NHS. I don't know any leave voter that thought it would happen either.
very well written
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Apologies if posted before, just seen these turnout by age group figures:
So if so many young people are angry about the result, maybe they should look a little closer to home first.
So if so many young people are angry about the result, maybe they should look a little closer to home first.
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I'm confused. This poll doesn't make sense compared to any previous ones we've had!
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And why do they no longer need to keep it? The agreement is parts of our trading between france and the uk.
The french should have dealt with the problems at Calais years ago.
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Already debunked. And that was yesterday
It hasn't been debunked, you are utterly deluded, we HAVE NOT LEFT YET!
You do not seem to grasp the concept that everything is now up for negotiation.
In 2 and in 5 years let us see what happens the refugee application status, where they are processed, and where they go to.
The only thing to our advantage now is they might feel less like coming here after a vote that gives the appearance of xenophobia, whether that was indicated or not, it will broadcast that view. That might be beneficial from a refugee POV long term. On business terms, probably not so much.
So lets wait over the next 6, 12 and 24 months and wait for announcements of expansion, and investment into Britain and see if we get much/any. many firms were holding off until after the vote, now they will probably hold off until after the negotiations, and then make their decision, we shall see.
The most staggering and frustrating thing about reading this thread is realising how little people understood what they were actually voting for or what the repercussions mean. That frustration is almost equally matched by how easily many of you believe baseless nonsense because it supports your agenda and how quickly you dismiss facts because it's not what you want to hear.
Yep and the french Prime minister stated categorically the Le Trouquet treaty stands as is..
It was only some other french lower ministers calling for it to be moved because they have the hump like all the rest of the remains
I think dodging TTIP might be a blessing.
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No, I don't. I think it will make very little difference either way. But the economic damage of uncertainty will carry on for longer if we drag the process out. We, and the EU, need to establish what the new normal is so we can get on with it and start the long process of recovering from this huge blow to our economies.
Honestly, I don't think much will happen for the first six months of negotiations anyway. It'll be a matter of putting place some timetables, agreeing times to meet, and so on. As the rules are written, this isn't much of a negotiation anyway.
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