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But not all of the plot holes are plot holes. I think it's the way that some people have reacted to being left with scenes or events that aren't spelled out for them. Maybe the intended mystery or subtlety went over people's heads. Immediately after seeing the film, I wasn't too sure about what I had seen, but several hours later I was thinking about all of the elements over and over. For me, that's quite awesome. It's been a while where I've actually thought about a film.

So, hey, there are things where people might say, "oh hell no, that would never happen!". It's a movie. A science fiction movie. Set way in the future. For example:
OK, a woman goes through a massively traumatic surgery. Yep, she's up and walking about. You expected her to spend a month lying in rest? Nope, she injects herself with stimulants/pain killers and forces herself to get up and deal with this life or death situation. Really, it's a sci-fi film. It's to be taken with a pinch of salt. Why did they do this, what that. Why did she run in a straight line.


Alright, some of the characters were a bit ODD to say the least. The Fifield and the biologist dude were just... out of place. So the movie needed these two sacrifical lambs, and we got this odd couple. Fine. Whatever. You could say that they somehow got the gig, but personalities were not reviewed by the Weyland HR department. The HR departments in the future are ****. Why didn't we see the interview processes, ala the Apprentice. Well, I guess, like many other points, it couldn't be squeezed into the 2 hour screening. So that's another thing that couldn't be explained in detail.
Who cares.

All of the above is my own opinion on this. If there are inconsistencies, I'm not going to dwell on them. I wouldn't say the movie was awesome, it was good. But it certainly wasn't as dire as some of the reviews have made it out to be.


Anyway, some of us enjoyed it, and others didn't. It turned out to be the Marmite movie of the year.

*I'm not in anyway trying to insult anyone with my comments.*
 
Plot holes aside, the scene connection and character development is atrocious.

They were scripted like an episode of Hollyoaks

For a few examples:

Shaw revealing she can't have children was embaressingly bad writing.

The pointless scene of Yanek and Vickers flirting.

Nobody bats an eyelid about shaw giving birth and her beating up some of the crew.

Nobody says a thing about fifield going mental and becoming super human.

Nobody recognised that fifield and the biologist hadn't taken one of the vehicles.

It's **** poor writing on a base level.

It was an enjoyable film, but that doesn't cover it up, I like transformers (1/2) for a daft bit of fun, this shouldn't have been something like that, it had so much more potential and promise when you consider what it is connected to.

Then again 90% of the people in here probably didn't batter an eyelid of imagination when they saw The space jockey in Alien.
 
Ridley Scott Confirms Prometheus’ First Cut is 2 hours and 27 mins

Ridley Scott talks more Prometheus, run times, deleted scenes, and the new BLADE RUNNER in an exclusive interview with Collider’s Steven Weintraub.
In the chat, the director states the first cut of his new sci-fi film is “2… 27“. The theatrical cut ended up being 1 hour and 59 minutes long excluding credits. Also Scott mentions, for better or worse, that the theatrical cut of Prometheus is “fundamentally a director’s cut.”
In addition to the talk regarding the run times, Ridley Scott provides more details about the fight scene between Shaw and The Engineer that didn’t make it to the theatrical cut (the first time we heard of this unused footage was in an interview with Rapace and Fassbender here http://youtu.be/h-UR9_gh7a4?t=3m18s).

“What she gives is as good as it gets, with an ax… she’s really, very physical. He’s so big. For him to be clouted by a conventional weapon somehow dimished him,” the director says. “It’s drama. I didn’t want to diminish him by having this person who’s got this weapon to be able to kind of back him off. It minimized him.”
Check out the video interview yourself where the Prometheus talk starts at 2:07. The director also reveals some very interesting details about the new BLADE RUNNER movie towards the end of the video.


Source: PrometheusNews.net
 
hola_adios said:
It is poor story telling, I would recommend to watch good films, and then come back and compare with with what RS has done here, which is just allow a mediocre and incoherent film to be released. The plot holes I could leave with, but not the total lack of coherence or poor character development. May be good enough if your film list is topped by transformers or star wars though.
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Agreed. This film was supposed to explain the origin of the Space Jockey but it has failed.

Ridley Scott, 74, is past it. It only took a mere 27 years to finish the final cut of Blade Runner. I'm sure the DC of Prometheus won't take too long :rolleyes:.
 
Whilst I respect Blade Runner I thought it was a very boring film (storywise, not visually). I can imagine the Blade Runner sequel to be a commercial flop as it's only going to be die hard lovers of the first film that will go see it... I really hope Fox isn't spending too much on it as it could ruin Ridley's chances of directing a Prometheus sequel.
 
PanMaster said:
Agreed. This film was supposed to explain the origin of the Space Jockey but it has failed.

Ridley Scott, 74, is past it. It only took a mere 27 years to finish the final cut of Blade Runner. I'm sure the DC of Prometheus won't take too long :rolleyes:.
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There is an awful lot more to the reason why Blade Runner took so long to reach its "Final Cut".
The studio forced out the original version against the directors wishes. The DC was still heavily influenced by the studio and they still would not allow RS to put out the version he wanted to.
The "dead years" next were because the studio refused to let RS touch the film. It was theirs and they simply wouldn't allow him to work on it at all.

27 years, but due to the studio's, not due to RS.
 
NathanE said:
Whilst I respect Blade Runner I thought it was a very boring film (storywise, not visually). I can imagine the Blade Runner sequel to be a commercial flop as it's only going to be die hard lovers of the first film that will go see it... I really hope Fox isn't spending too much on it as it could ruin Ridley's chances of directing a Prometheus sequel.
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Blade Runner still firmply sits at the top of my "all time favourite film" list. There have been an awful lot of films released since, but nothing to knock that from the top.
A sequel, now will never be as good as the original. At least they aren't trying some stupid "re-make" or "re-imagination" as for that it would need to be death to the director/studio.
 
stoofa said:
Blade Runner still firmply sits at the top of my "all time favourite film" list. There have been an awful lot of films released since, but nothing to knock that from the top.
A sequel, now will never be as good as the original. At least they aren't trying some stupid "re-make" or "re-imagination" as for that it would need to be death to the director/studio.
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Seriously? I find it exceptionally boring. I tried to watch it again recently and just couldn't do it.

Then again my favourite movie is The Matrix :)
 
Another vote for BR being rubbish. I just don't get why it's rated so highly. Seems to be one of those cult films, where even if you didn't enjoy it, you say you did.
 
Plunk13 said:
But not all of the plot holes are plot holes. I think it's the way that some people have reacted to being left with scenes or events that aren't spelled out for them. Maybe the intended mystery or subtlety went over people's heads. Immediately after seeing the film, I wasn't too sure about what I had seen, but several hours later I was thinking about all of the elements over and over. For me, that's quite awesome. It's been a while where I've actually thought about a film.
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The whole description from EVH made things more interesting and gave it more perspective for me... but... it was never about plot holes per se for me, it was that the film was put together so badly that it made no sense. Even taking some of the great theories (and they are theories because we have to make up the story ourselves it was that poor) it still has large holes in because of the way the film was made and released.

I think it had great potnetial but nothing made sense because of the state it came out in and all the marvellous theories are a waste of time because whats th epoint in us making up the story completely when it made no sense? That is not good storytelling!

As someone said a while back Alien had a great way of suggesting things within a coherent story which made you really wonder (Space Jockey being the example) this film just fails on all accounts which really saddens me :(
 
Eagle-eyed and endlessly patient moviegoers noticed that at the very end of the end credits for Prometheus, a logo for the fictional Weyland Corporation rolled onto the screen, with the tagline “Building Better Worlds Since 10. 11. 12? and an address for the “corporate timeline” for Weyland Industries. That timeline does indeed note that the company was founded on October 11, 2012, but it’s been available online for a while now. It turns out this end credits bumper was really pointing to a brand new easter egg: Whatis101112.com, a curious website that basically serves as an oblique advertisement for the seminal work of German philosopher Freidrich Nietzsche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra: A Book for All and None.
At this point, the site includes a fancy 3-D rendering of the book, a cursory synopsis of the tome — “Much of the work deals with ideas such as the ‘eternal recurrence of the same,’ the parable on the ‘death of God,’ and the ‘prophecy’ of the Übermensch” — and a video of actor Guy Pearce as company founder Dr. Peter Weyland. The 27-second clip appears to be shot just before Weyland delivers the “TED talk” that launched Prometheus‘ viral video ad campaign.
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http://www.whatis101112.com/





http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/06/11/prometheus-nietzsche-zarathustra/
 
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hola_adios said:
I cannot see any insults here, but yours, hence following your weak logic ...
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You basically said that anybody who likes Prometheus can't possibly like "good" films and is the kind of person who'd have Transformers at the top of "their list". How is that not an insult?

I'm pretty confident I know a good film when I see one, and I really liked Prometheus. It wasn't without its flaws, but ambiguity and incomplete plot-lines do not equate to bad story-telling. We must remember that Prometheus, and the Alien universe as a whole, does border the line between science-fiction and completely nonsensical fantasy, so any kind of argument that "it just doesn't make sense" isn't going to work on me. I was entertained. I saw some awe-inspiring images on screen. I'm intrigued about where it'll go, and hungry for more.
 
Interview with Damon Lindelof over at IGN about Prometheus and Sequels

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/06/11/the-secrets-of-prometheus-with-damon-lindelof

IGN: Let’s get specific then – in your opinion, do these aliens want us to visit them?

Lindelof: That’s an excellent question and one that I’m not going to answer. But I will say that there’s something fascinating about humanity where we perceive it as an invitation. You look at a cave wall, there’s somebody pointing at some distant planets, and one interpretation is “This is where we come from” another is “We want you to come here.” Where are we drawing that from? I think another thing that’s interesting about the system that they visit is that the moon the land on in Prometheus is LV 223. And we know LV 426 is where the action takes place in Alien, so are they even in the right place? And how close are they to the place that these aliens on cave walls were directing them. Were they just extrapolating “This is the system that has the sun with the sustainable life.” So there’s a lot of guesswork. There’s a small line in the movie where David and Holloway are talking about David’s deconstruction of the language based on Holloway’s thesis, and he says “If your thesis is correct” and Holloway says “If it’s correct?” and David says “That’s why they call it a thesis Doctor.” And the reason we threw that in there is that we’re dealing with a highly hypothetical area in terms of who these beings are, what, if any invitation they issued, and who is responsible for making those cave paintings. And did something happen in between when those cave paintings were made - tens of thousands of years ago - and our arrival now, in 2093, 2,000 years after these things have perished. Did something happen in the intermediate period that we should be thinking about?
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IGN: So have you got a plan for potential Prometheus sequels?

Lindelof: Sure, and obviously who knows if that’s’ going to happen. I think you have to design these things to have a certain degree of self-contained-ness. But obviously leave room for more. I think that Proemtheus wanted to have two children. One child grows up to be Alien, the other child grows up to become this other mysterious force where we’re heading off in a different direction and contemplating why it is our creators wanted to destroy us. This is a fundamentally interesting question looked at on a theological level, but also on a sci-fi level as well. In constructing those questions, Ridley wanted to know what the answers were as well, and we talked about those at great length, and then he determined what it was he wanted to put in the movie. I think that we had a very defined idea of why the Engineers put those paintings on cave walls, and why it is that they loaded ships full of death, as Shaw puts it at the end of the movie. So those answers are not definitively presented in Prometheus, though if you look through all the materials, I think that the evidence is all there to form a very informed opinion as to what happened, but I’m not going to tell you what my opinion is, as frustrating as it might be.
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IMO the cave paintings are there as a backup in case their Petri-dish experiment gets out of control. That is to say that they develop space travel technology and hence become a threat to the Engineers.

It's not like the Engineers could just keep calling in every few hundreds years to check on their creation. To do so would totally freak out their creation and taint their natural evolution. And why would they want to, each trip would takes decades; surely the time could be better spent on more important matters.
 
I think Lindelof is handling the criticism well. I think the film was hugely optimistic and okay it might not have struck all the high notes like everyone was expecting but it certainly struck several of them for many people. These sort of films tend to age well with the passing of time. And I remain convinced that the BluRay cut will be better.

The film presented ideas that are rarely talked about in public conversation. That's why people have been so confused over some of the bigger plot points. As they just aren't used to thinking about such things. A lot of it really is "original sci-fi" to a lot of people, not everyone but some.

TBH if you talk about this sort of stuff (ancient astronaut theories, jesus was an alien etc etc; all of which were first mooted decades ago) you just come across as a quack and a society doesn't like it.
 
PaddyMC89 said:
You basically said that anybody who likes Prometheus can't possibly like "good" films and is the kind of person who'd have Transformers at the top of "their list". How is that not an insult?

I'm pretty confident I know a good film when I see one, and I really liked Prometheus. It wasn't without its flaws, but ambiguity and incomplete plot-lines do not equate to bad story-telling. We must remember that Prometheus, and the Alien universe as a whole, does border the line between science-fiction and completely nonsensical fantasy, so any kind of argument that "it just doesn't make sense" isn't going to work on me. I was entertained. I saw some awe-inspiring images on screen. I'm intrigued about where it'll go, and hungry for more.
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No, I said that whoever likes Prometheus should watch good films, including good science fiction films, and compare ... nonsensical fantasy does not have to mean nonsensical plot, this is about how the action flows and how the characters evolve and react to situations ... etc and Prometheus is just a poor script with poor direction.

I do stand by my opinion, lots of people did like "The Da Vinci Code" and both the novel and the film are rubbish from any angle you tried to catch them. Burger and fries taste really good, but no more than once a month. With Prometheus we have been given a burger with lots of fat and plenty of cholesterol, you want more, go for it, I don't like rewarding bad taste.
 
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