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shipinabottle said:
I don't think its that bud.

The eggs are a product of the Queen, and evolutionary point which rather than take a millennia, is staged through each reproduction. Goo > human (ala shaw) > squid > humanoid female (ala Ripley) > queen xeno > egg > hugger > adaptive xenomorph
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It's even more convoluted. So far you had xeno queen -> egg -> facehugger - > digestive tract implanted chestburster growing into - depending on host - specialised type of xeno, in a circle.
In prometheus we have:
goo - > digestive tract of humanoid male host - > sperm of infected male into humanoid female before host turns into zombie - > humanoid female born mini squid -> incubation into giant squid facehugger - > digestive tract implant into Engineer host -> fully grown coneheadxenomorph.
 
v0n said:
It's even more convoluted. So far you had xeno queen -> egg -> facehugger - > digestive tract implanted chestburster growing into - depending on host - specialised type of xeno, in a circle.
In prometheus we have:
goo - > digestive tract of humanoid male host - > sperm of infected male into humanoid female before host turns into zombie - > humanoid female born mini squid -> incubation into giant squid facehugger - > digestive tract implant into Engineer host -> fully grown coneheadxenomorph.
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But isnt there 2 types of goo? There is the black stuff that seems to melt off the top of the Vases that the worms get into and then there is the stuff thats contained within the vases that David had to break open to retreive?
 
Skyline said:
But isnt there 2 types of goo? There is the black stuff that seems to melt off the top of the Vases that the worms get into and then there is the stuff thats contained within the vases that David had to break open to retreive?
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I thought it was only the one type, really. Same stuff that the guy drank in the beginning that was also leaking from the urns.

What made the urns appear to be somewhat specialised (if not weaponised) was that they immediately started to break down and leak after the presence of humans caused a shift in the atmosphere.

You can notice that the urns initially appear to physically sweat upwards, exactly like the egg in the original Alien when it reacts to Kane being nearby.
 
hola_adios said:
No, I said that whoever likes Prometheus should watch good films, including good science fiction films, and compare ... nonsensical fantasy does not have to mean nonsensical plot, this is about how the action flows and how the characters evolve and react to situations ... etc and Prometheus is just a poor script with poor direction.

I do stand by my opinion, lots of people did like "The Da Vinci Code" and both the novel and the film are rubbish from any angle you tried to catch them. Burger and fries taste really good, but no more than once a month. With Prometheus we have been given a burger with lots of fat and plenty of cholesterol, you want more, go for it, I don't like rewarding bad taste.
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I like how you say you didn't do something, yet can't provide an explanation to the contrary. You even take another swipe in trying to hide "you have bad taste" in that really clever little analogy.

Is it not feasible that somebody who enjoyed Prometheus has already seen and can appreciate good Science Fiction films, or good films in general? And has read the complete works of PKD, ACC, Ballard, Asimov, Bradbury, Stapledon, Bester, Gibson etc.? No, surely anybody that thinks Prometheus is good SF and good film-making must know very little about SF and film as an art-form.

I'm not going to say you are wrong for not liking Prometheus - I've actually learnt to accept that other opinions are available - but you most certainly are wrong for insinuating that anybody who liked the film can't have seen many good films and / or gets enjoyment out of watching trash.
 
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PaddyMC89 said:
I like how you say you didn't do something, yet can't provide an explanation to the contrary. You even take another swipe in trying to hide "you have bad taste" in that really clever little analogy.

Is it not feasible that somebody who enjoyed Prometheus has already seen and can appreciate good Science Fiction films, or good films in general? And has read the complete works of PKD, ACC, Ballard, Asimov, Bradbury, Stapledon, Bester, Gibson etc.? No, surely anybody that thinks Prometheus is good SF and good film-making must know very little about SF and film as an art-form.

I'm not going to say you are wrong for not liking Prometheus - I've actually learnt to accept that other opinions are available - but you most certainly are wrong for insinuating that anybody who liked the film can't have seen many good films and / or gets enjoyment out of watching trash.
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Agreed. I'm the biggest sci-fi buff that I know and I enjoyed Prometheus. I don't understand all the fuss. Just because the movie wasn't absolutely perfect in all areas doesn't mean it is unwatchable or any lesser film than say "Contact", "Stargate" or whatever. Both of which are considered classics now but were both panned in the same way as Prometheus in their early years.

I think a lot people are just wound up that Prometheus didn't explicit spell out the meaning of life to them. As after all that is basically what the plot is about. And it didn't answer it. And when we finally do get what can be constituted as an answer in a sequel the haters still won't be happy because then they'll realise it was just a piece of science fiction after all and doesn't actually apply to real life!
 
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PaddyMC89 said:
I like how you say you didn't do something, yet can't provide an explanation to the contrary. You even take another swipe in trying to hide "you have bad taste" in that really clever little analogy.

Is it not feasible that somebody who enjoyed Prometheus has already seen and can appreciate good Science Fiction films, or good films in general? And has read the complete works of PKD, ACC, Ballard, Asimov, Bradbury, Stapledon, Bester, Gibson etc.? No, surely anybody that thinks Prometheus is good SF and good film-making must know very little about SF and film as an art-form.

I'm not going to say you are wrong for not liking Prometheus - I've actually learnt to accept that other opinions are available - but you most certainly are wrong for insinuating that anybody who liked the film can't have seen many good films and / or gets enjoyment out of watching trash.
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I actually said that someone who thinks that Prometheus is a good movie has got no taste, it is not a question of good or bad, is a question on not knowing how to differentiate between the two, which seems to be quite common.
 
hola_adios said:
I actually said that someone who thinks that Prometheus is a good movie has got no taste, it is not a question of good or bad, is a question on not knowing how to differentiate between the two, which seems to be quite common.
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That makes no sense whatsoever.
 
hola_adios said:
I actually said that someone who thinks that Prometheus is a good movie has got no taste, it is not a question of good or bad, is a question on not knowing how to differentiate between the two, which seems to be quite common.
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I cant believe some of the tripe you post (and the fact I am responding to it). Why are you insulting so many people on here because they have a different opinion to you?
 
redeye_uk said:
I cant believe some of the tripe you post (and the fact I am responding to it). Why are you insulting so many people on here because they have a different opinion to you?
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Again, I am not insulting anyone, unfortunately many people are just blinded by the hype, memories of what alien, blade runner where and what not. Prometheus is a bad movie, and the fact that many people have decided to just ignore all what is wrong with it proves the point that many do not know how to differentiate good from bad.
 
hola_adios said:
Again, I am not insulting anyone, unfortunately many people are just blinded by the hype, memories of what alien, blade runner where and what not. Prometheus is a bad movie, and the fact that many people have decided to just ignore all what is wrong with it proves the point that many do not know how to differentiate good from bad.
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It's not a bad film at all. That's your opinion.

Most people are able to appraise a film on more than just a binary scale of "good or bad". Like a scale of 1 to 10. It sounds like you would like to give it a zero.

People that rate Prometheus badly are those that hyped themselves up about it way too much and hold Alien in too high regard. So those "many people" you refer to is actually yourself!
 
Ridley Scott on "Prometheus" Sequel, Title and Story

"From the very beginning, I was working from a premise that lent itself to a sequel," said Scott. "I really don't want to meet God in the first one. I want to leave it open to [Dr. Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi Rapace)] saying, 'I don’t want to go back to where I came from. I want to go where they came from.'"

“Because [the Engineers] are such aggressive *******, I always had it in there that the God-like creature that you will see actually is not so nice, and is certainly not God," Scott explained. "I'd love to explore where the [Dr. Shaw] goes next and what does she do when she gets there, because if it is paradise, paradise can not be what you think it is. Paradise has a connotation of being extremely sinister and ominous."

Scott is very interested in returning for the sequel and so is Lindelof, but Lindelof believes a new writer should step in. "It could actually benefit going into someone else's able hand," he said. "Although, I feel like some storyline has already been constructed based on conversations that Ridley and I had about it."
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hola_adios said:
I actually said that someone who thinks that Prometheus is a good movie has got no taste, it is not a question of good or bad, is a question on not knowing how to differentiate between the two, which seems to be quite common.
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You're stepping on dodgy ground there don't you think? What is taste? Do you control your taste, do you decide what foods you like, what music you enjoy, which films entertain you? These things are by and large out of our control, we consume and then decide if we liked it. We can make educated guesses, stay within the boundries of the things we know we tend to enjoy, but we can never know for sure beforehand. If we didn't enjoy, in the case of music and film we are then more likely to try and pick holes in an effort to explain what it is about the film we found to be poor. But it's all just opinion, 100% subjective, and while there is a certain strength in numbers, the bottom line is there is no right and wrong.

I'm with you all the way about Prometheus being quite the letdown, but we have to accept that it is perfectly reasonable for others to enjoy it. Every last complaint we have about the film, to another person might not be an issue. It's best to just give your opinion, give your reasons as well if you can, and the people that did enjoy it can do the same. It's not about proving that our opinion on the film is the one true view on it, the reality is we're all right in the sense that to each person, how they see the film is the 'right' way.

Like I said I think we're on the same page in terms of what we thought of Prometheus, what I can't agree with is trying to tell people exactly how much they should have enjoyed something, or what their opinion on it should be, at that point you're crossing a line which is only going to rub people up the wrong way.

Anyway, there's a recent interview with Damon Lindeloff that is very much worth watching, gives a good insight into his thoughts on Prometheus, Lost, and his general attitude to storytelling. It doesn't change the fact that I was hugely disappointed with Lost and Prometheus, but after hearing what he had to say I feel it's mainly that his method of storytelling is not to my taste rather than it being bad.

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NathanE said:
It's not a bad film at all. That's your opinion.

Most people are able to appraise a film on more than just a binary scale of "good or bad". Like a scale of 1 to 10. It sounds like you would like to give it a zero.

People that rate Prometheus badly are those that hyped themselves up about it way too much and hold Alien in too high regard. So those "many people" you refer to is actually yourself!
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No, not really, I went there with an open mind, and what I saw was just a series of images stitched up together with no attention to story telling, coherence or respect for the intelligence of the viewer. It is clear that RS is well passed his prime, so that is the only excuse I can find to be honest. But good attempt at playing clever guy 4.5/10 :p

I gave the film a 4/10, since there is no excuse to get even some even technical details wrong, like the overuse of the annoying music, resorting to overused action tricks which are 30 years old ...

So, let's agree to disagree, I have the same right at thinking this film is a poor one than any of you have at thinking it is good.

Regarding taste, well, there are some golden rules, about story telling the most obvious one is that a story which makes no sense, is a poor told one. Whatever everyone wants to see into Prometheus in terms of aesthetics, I will not discuss, but as a story, it is a disaster.

I thought that Lost was just a sick joke on the viewer and stopped watching it half way into the second season, and to be fair that is kind of the same with Prometheus, half way into it, it was quite obvious that the story was dire and RS did not make any attempts to tame at all, and it just went to different places without any rhythm or sense of direction.

Regarding numbers, I do not care if 1 billion in the planet think that big brother is great, it is not.
 
wedgie said:
Ah right I understand now, your mind is not capable of differentiating between fact and opinion. Duly noted :p.
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The problem is that in here we follow the paradigm that a fact is am opinion which is has been told many times :p

Art has its rules as well, and that is a fact ;), that is why early Picasso was art, (most) late Picasso was just rubbish.
 
hola_adios said:
The problem is that in here we follow the paradigm that a fact is am opinion which is has been told many times :p

Art has its rules as well, and that is a fact ;), that is why early Picasso was art, (most) late Picasso was just rubbish.
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Art has conventions yes, it's a bit of a stretch to call them rules though.

Don't you see the problem here, it's the reverse of being told by fans of a certain film that if you don't like it as well, then what it really means is you don't 'get it'.

It's insulting to be in the receiving end of either accusation.
 
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