**** The Official Prometheus Spoiler Discussion Thread ****

NathanE said:
7.3 IMDb rating says you're wrong :)
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In IMDb rating of 7.3 says that the kind of people who vote on IMDb likes it and nothing else. Like all surveys where the surveyed are self-selected, it tells you a lot more about the people doing the survey than the thing being surveyed. This is why no real survey uses a self-selected group of people.



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NathanE said:
Beginning to see the problem. These haters of Prometheus are actually just haters of basically all sci-fi.
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What you're doing is almost clever, but Sunshine et al are not Prometheus. It's quite possible to like Sunshine, Inception, Pandorum (etc), and *not* like Prom.

Prom has its own distinct issues and the criticism it receives is justified.

You don't have to look very far to see Sci-Fi bloggers pointing out the flaws in Prom. Sci-Fi bloggers and dedicated Sci-Fi audiences are panning Prom. That should tell you something.
 
NathanE said:
It's just proof that, after years of high octane comic book action movies, people have forgotton how to watch and appreciate a genuinely good piece of sci-fi.

Sunshine (2007) was a big warning sign of this. That movie bombed big time at the box office. But yet is revered by sci-fi buffs.

Inception was another... people slating it for being a mind ****. Fortunately that did rather well at box office.
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If anybody slated Inception for being "a mind ****", I must have missed it. If anything, the film supposedly being "a mind ****" was what endeared it to a lot of people.

Regardless, Inception wasn't "a mind ****" at all. It was pretty easy to follow, especially with the Ellen Page character asking what's going on every five minutes, and ultimately the concept wasn't even used in the same way great science fiction films use theirs: as a platform to ask bigger, more important questions about ourselves. Great action film, though.
 
FoxEye said:
What you're doing is almost clever, but Sunshine et al are not Prometheus. It's quite possible to like Sunshine, Inception, Pandorum (etc), and *not* like Prom.
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But that's the point I'm making. Pretty much all the comparable movies I've mentioned (Contact, Stargate, Mission To Mars, Sunshine etc etc etc) aren't liked by seemingly anyone in this thread. So it's no real surprise any more that Prometheus isn't liked either. It's the genre that is, seemingly, the big problem for many people here.
 
FoxEye said:
What you're doing is almost clever, but Sunshine et al are not Prometheus. It's quite possible to like Sunshine, Inception, Pandorum (etc), and *not* like Prom.

Prom has its own distinct issues and the criticism it receives is justified.

You don't have to look very far to see Sci-Fi bloggers pointing out the flaws in Prom. Sci-Fi bloggers and dedicated Sci-Fi audiences are panning Prom. That should tell you something.
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It's one thing to pan it for it's flaws but read between the lines and they still enjoyed it. Hell i hated the writing and want to construct a Lindelof voodoo doll but as a sci-fi movie, i enjoyed it a great deal. It just bugs me that it could have been so much more than it was.

I enjoy all sci-fi, even the cheesy ****, it's easy to rip it all to shreds but sometimes even with a genre that sometimes claims to be a vision of the future, they dont half stuff it up at times :D
 
FoxEye said:
Sunshine was great. Inception was very good too.

But Prometheus isn't at all similar to those films.

What makes great Sci-Fi? In my opinion, it's not all that different to any other genre. You need strong characters. Plausible characters. They don't have to act like you or I, but they need to be consistent. Not cowards one minute and reckless the next.

You want your dialogue to feel natural. You want your characters to say things that you could imagine your friends saying to you - things you might say yourself. You want to put your interesting characters in situations that reveal the facets of their personalities; examine their relationships. And you want it to feel natural; normal.

When I was watching Prom, I wasn't convinced by the characters. I felt they were saying and doing things they shouldn't have been. I was always *aware* of the hand of the script writer. And I had no previous bias against Lindelof, because having not followed the movie before watching it, I didn't know who was involved apart from Ridley Scott.
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i agree totally.

when making a film, you don't 'make a sci-fi' film. surely you set out to make a good film i.e characters, story, plot etc that happens to be set in a sci fi setting. if there are humans in the scifi film you expect them to act like humans.

just like you expect humans to act like humans in horror films or war films or whatever kind of film.

you can't just leave out these facets just because you are making a sci fi film. they are like a minimum requirement to be credible.
 
NathanE said:
But that's the point I'm making. Pretty much all the comparable movies I've mentioned (Contact, Stargate, Mission To Mars, Sunshine etc etc etc) aren't liked by seemingly anyone in this thread. So it's no real surprise any more that Prometheus isn't liked either. It's the genre that is, seemingly, the big problem for many people here.
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All those films mentioned (apart from Mission to Mars, I haven't seen it) are great Prometheus is not.
 
SixTwoSix said:
I'm of the belief that the Aliens as we know them already exist, this "proto xeno" is of a new species.

When Holloway see's the very Alien looking mural in the back of the head room there is a greenish crystal container sitting all by itself on some kind of altar. I think that the black goo is somehow derived from the Alien itself and whatever is on the altar would create a pure Alien that we know and love.
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I have said this many many times that the greenish crystal container is special. Its not talked about at all anywhere. Its like people didnt see it. I know that 99% of people were looking at the Alien on the wall at the time but its definitely used to create the Pure Xenomorph we all know.
 
Yep, it's never explained or even hinted at what the significance of the green crystal was. I think it was David that was looking at it so I don't know if he knew something about it.
 
NathanE said:
But that's the point I'm making. Pretty much all the comparable movies I've mentioned (Contact, Stargate, Mission To Mars, Sunshine etc etc etc) aren't liked by seemingly anyone in this thread. So it's no real surprise any more that Prometheus isn't liked either. It's the genre that is, seemingly, the big problem for many people here.
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not true - i like scifi but it has to have believable characters.
stargate was average
contact was good but the ending was weak
mission to mars was awful

prometheus had illogical characters and serious character plot holes.

consider the new battlestar galactica series - really amazing, and not because of the scifi elements but mainly the great characters and acting.

all tv and films must have believable characters to 'suspend our disbelief' at the events going on - its the same for scifi, drama, thrillers, horrors, everything.
 
NathanE said:
Beginning to see the problem. These haters of Prometheus are actually just haters of basically all sci-fi.
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I presume that wasn't aimed at me? I don't hate Prometheus, I just thought was profoundly mediocre, and the huge budget could have been better spent. By getting some script writers who could write a good script for starters. Like so much science fiction on film, there was a good idea there struggling to get out and failing dismally. Scott's talent seems to have evaporated at at some point a couple of decades ago, and he now misses rather more often than he hits. I think part of the problem was that he painted himself into corner by making Prometheus an Alien prequel, meaning he had to keep tying into the original idea.

As for the black goo, I just assumed it was nano-tech. Now if the film had just stuck to an intelligent adult exploration of the impact and implication of such a technology then the film might have been ten times better. If someone else wrote it.


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Meridian said:
I presume that wasn't aimed at me?
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Not at all, it's the general consensus here. I was stunned that there are haters of Sunshine here too. Which just leads me to think that maybe some of the people here just aren't as fond of sci-fi as they think. It's one of the best sci-fi movies in recent years. Sure everybody wanted a slightly different ending, but it doesn't ruin the other 95% of the movie.
 
Sunshine is a near perfect movie until it descends into the slasher ending, aside from that it's faultless from the visuals & soundtrack down to the acting, one of my all time favorite movies.

If this doesn't give you goosebumps, you're a little dead inside

 
SixTwoSix said:
Sunshine is a near perfect movie until it descends into the slasher ending, aside from that it's faultless from the visuals & soundtrack down to the acting, one of my all time favorite movies.

If this doesn't give you goosebumps, you're a little dead inside
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Too many plotholes. Don't undertand it. Who was the woman in the middle?
Duh duh etc etc..


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SixTwoSix said:
If this doesn't give you goosebumps, you're a little dead inside
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The only reason why it doesn't give me goosebumps is because John Murphy use the exactly same Pachelbel four chord progression again and again and again and ad infinitum. In terms of onetrickponyery - he's worse than Stock, Aitken and Waterman in that respect.
 
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Sunshine felt like some film exec butted into the writing process and was all "what? The sun and harshness of space are the character's nemesis? No! You said survival horror, put a silly evil bloke on the other ship and make it about him.' It's a great film up to the moment the emphasis shifts entirely from the frailty of the characters against the elements and turns into a bog-standard lurker-on-board type thing.

Also whoever said Battlestar Galatica... the ending of that show essentially ruined the whole thing for me.
 
Somnambulist said:
Also whoever said Battlestar Galatica... the ending of that show essentially ruined the whole thing for me.
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Nothing wrong with the ending of Battlestar or with Sunshine for that matter, if you don't like sci-fi just go and get yourselves a copy of Sex in the city and watch that instead.
 
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