**** The Official Prometheus Spoiler Discussion Thread ****

anyone else get the feeling vickers was a replicant rather than an android? i get the feeling bladerunner and alien worlds might collide. if deckard doesnt know he is a replicant maybe vickers doesnt either. after all, her dad was a fair bit older than her!
 
anyone else get the feeling vickers was a replicant rather than an android? i get the feeling bladerunner and alien worlds might collide. if deckard doesnt know he is a replicant maybe vickers doesnt either. after all, her dad was a fair bit older than her!

I don't think so. She has sexy times with the captain and then she REALLY wants to get in that life support pod, which David wouldn't be bothered about since he doesn't breathe.
 
On second viewing there is just so much that you pick up from her performance that tells you she isn't an android. She is way too emotional compared to David. It actually feels silly now, after second viewing, that I was ever wondering whether she was a robot. To such an extent that the "Are you a robot?" scene feels even more out of place.
 
android isnt the same as replicant (in bladerunner universe). watch blade runner. androids arent flash and bone, they are basically a robot. replicant is a synthetic human that bleeds and has emotions and memories. in BR some people dont know they arent real humans (i wont say any more as it might be a spoiler). in fact the only way to know if they are replicants is by the weird test about tortoises etc. that was also a RS film.

in aliens bishop says the older androids were a little unstable without the emotion inhibitors. which might explain why david is also human like in being inquisitive and not always doing what he is told and has ulterior motives.
 
I enjoyed Prometheus. I understand it's flaws though (like the running around after surgery type stuff).

I hope a director's cut or whatever fleshes it out into the film that it should have been.
 
android isnt the same as replicant (in bladerunner universe). watch blade runner. androids arent flash and bone, they are basically a robot. replicant is a synthetic human that bleeds and has emotions and memories. in BR some people dont know they arent real humans (i wont say any more as it might be a spoiler). in fact the only way to know if they are replicants is by the weird test about tortoises etc. that was also a RS film.

in aliens bishop says the older androids were a little unstable without the emotion inhibitors. which might explain why david is also human like in being inquisitive and not always doing what he is told and has ulterior motives.

agree, They made them 'too' well. It's clear David has his own motives, but it is also clear he has a base command to Weyland, hence why he wants him to die, if Weyland passes, David is essentially free.
 
android isnt the same as replicant (in bladerunner universe). watch blade runner. androids arent flash and bone, they are basically a robot. replicant is a synthetic human that bleeds and has emotions and memories. in BR some people dont know they arent real humans (i wont say any more as it might be a spoiler). in fact the only way to know if they are replicants is by the weird test about tortoises etc. that was also a RS film.

in aliens bishop says the older androids were a little unstable without the emotion inhibitors. which might explain why david is also human like in being inquisitive and not always doing what he is told and has ulterior motives.

There's nothing to suggest the BR and Alien universes are in anyway linked. You're introducing a story thread that at no point is discussed/hinted at by anyone.
 
I enjoyed Prometheus. I understand it's flaws though (like the running around after surgery type stuff).

I hope a director's cut or whatever fleshes it out into the film that it should have been.

It might flesh out parts of the story better but i dont think it will help the characters and dialogue which seemed inherently broken in places. I doubt it could make Holloway better, he just came across like a 9 year old brat who couldnt handle his drink, he only redeemed himself in my eyes when he let Vickers nuke him, what does that say about the writing?
 
There's nothing to suggest the BR and Alien universes are in anyway linked. You're introducing a story thread that at no point is discussed/hinted at by anyone.

and? isnt this a discussion? it really wouldnt surprise me if RS tries to interlink the 2 and the fact BR is getting a sequel by him makes me think.

he also said in an interview (RS) that prometheus might have 2 androids and theron says they discussed the possibilities of her being an android of some sort.
 
Would anyone else agree that the engineer in Alien on the chair seemed much larger than theyre portrayed in Prometheus? The actor playing the Engineer at the end of the movie is 7 feet 1, in Alien though from what you could see of the Engineer it just appeared much larger in terms of scale. Apparently some of the space jockey scene was filmed on a smaller scale set with children in the space suits so i suppose that could account for the scale looking a bit off.

http://i.imgur.com/y0tCW.jpg

That pic shows the actor besides RS, hes much taller but not to the extent that i thought he would be, i was expecting around 9 or 10 feet for some reason.
 
re: the android getting killed

is it the school of thought that engineer flipped because he didn't like the fact humans were making artificial life?
 
Having seen this twice now i'm convinced the engineer understands exactly what Shaw is saying after they wake him, just something about the way he looks at her as she talks.
 
Would anyone else agree that the engineer in Alien on the chair seemed much larger than theyre portrayed in Prometheus? The actor playing the Engineer at the end of the movie is 7 feet 1, in Alien though from what you could see of the Engineer it just appeared much larger in terms of scale. Apparently some of the space jockey scene was filmed on a smaller scale set with children in the space suits so i suppose that could account for the scale looking a bit off.

http://i.imgur.com/y0tCW.jpg

That pic shows the actor besides RS, hes much taller but not to the extent that i thought he would be, i was expecting around 9 or 10 feet for some reason.

RS said in an interview that he always felt the scale was a little off in the original, and that they would be smaller in this film
 
Would anyone else agree that the engineer in Alien on the chair seemed much larger than theyre portrayed in Prometheus?
(...) i was expecting around 9 or 10 feet for some reason.

Yes. Space Jockey was much bigger. I'd even go as far as the Nostromo crew members were not much taller than a 2/3rd of his arm length. Whether Ridley felt SJ was slightly too large in Alien or not is irrelevant at this point. That's how big Space Jockey was and that's the end of it. Engineers also have slightly different shape or helmet, slightly different chairs and much shorter forearms. Again, just to give them that extra "we call it Varth Dader - chinese knock off" look....

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Taken from here, 43 things: http://bigthink.com/against-the-new...prometheus-taught-me-about-the-future-science


  1. English girls grow up to be Swedish women.
  2. Little hammers can excavate entire caves; it's possible to date cave-paintings from a casual glance.
  3. When going on 4-year space missions, it's silly to ask what the mission is.
  4. Having exactly the same genetics means we can still look completely different; also, chimpanzees are an anomaly. And who said anything about dinosaurs?
  5. After billions of years, there's no point evolving or having an anatomy change. And yes, this is despite the fact that your species is shown creating life, possibly on Earth, which, according to 'science' started billions of years ago.
  6. Speaking of science, we learn biologists, when confronted with the corpse of an alien, run away.
  7. Aborting aliens is an everyday occurrence that is not worth mentioning to fellow crew members, none of whom have really done anything but follow your commands.
  8. After having your stomach ripped open and an alien ripped out, you can still walk, scream and run away.
  9. Black goo can turn you into one of the infected from '28 Days Later' or give you eye fish. Whatever.
  10. It's possible to leave an alien planet on an alien ship to find the original aliens, with nothing but a vaguely headless android and a sense of revenge. Food and water are not necessary.
  11. People in impressive recorded videos, from four years before, know the positions, even seating-wise, of the audience members in the present.
  12. When casting for old men, it's better to take a good-looking middle-aged actor and let a retarded bonobo loose in the make-up room with the actor tied to a chair.
  13. Sex between two extremely beautiful specimens of humanity is not worth showing, even vaguely, in a movie focused on beautiful visuals.
  14. Military trained pilots can immediately detect the entire basis for alien buildings from casual glances.
  15. Geologists who map complex cave-systems using fancy round robots, who are in constant contact with the ship, who have a live-feed hologram of the entire cave, can still get lost.
  16. When making the greatest scientific discovery in the history of our species, it's not important to be in awe, celebrate, or show normal human emotion that would convey how enormous it is.
  17. Sprouting nonsense statements like "I choose to believe" is something a scientist from the future will say because we all know science is based solely on personal choice.
  18. After one day of investigating an alien building, because there was no friendly alien there, ready to tell you all its secrets, it is necessary to turn to alcohol.
  19. Androids will kill humans to test a vague scientific theory.
  20. It's not necessary to tell anyone you're pregnant with an alien baby creature monster. Indeed, it's necessary to treat everyone as if they're trying to harm you, despite them having given you no reason to think that and despite the possibility that they would probably want to help you.
  21. Biologists will stick their hands into cobra-snake-penis monster aliens but run away from long-dead headless alien corpses.
  22. It's ok to take your helmet off, despite the fact that oxygen is only one aspect of what makes breathable air and doesn't mean there aren't alien bacteria and spores that could probably kill you (since we have no defenses having never been to this place before)
  23. It is necessary to allow your android to press as many buttons as possible on an alien artifact.
  24. It is completely fine to walk into a foreign, alien place without armed protection because … science.
  25. You shouldn't take it personally or even care when the person funding your missions says he's dead but then isn't. And then he really is.
  26. People have different surnames to their daughters, despite the daughter conveying every reason to think she's not married (get billions of light-years away from Earth, sleep with good-looking men because they ask if you're a robot).
  27. Science has decided there isn't that much difference between billions and millions of miles because... lightyears.
  28. Running in a straight line is the only strategy from a donut-shaped ship that is collapsing perfectly on its side.
  29. It is necessary to assert yourself as "in charge" of this ship and dictate what scientists may and may not do, despite them thinking otherwise, and then never leave the ship.
  30. You can burn a person's lover and she won't yell at you or show that much contempt for you.
  31. Fire destroys everything, including alien bacteria and diseases.
  32. Disparate human civilizations all pointing to a cluster of round things in the sky over hundreds of thousands of years means you can plot those objects perfectly on a "star map": despite not knowing what those objects are (stars? planets? moons?) and knowing that despite these maps are from thousands and thousands of years ago, those objects - like the Engineers' anatomy over billions of years - won't be altered because... in the future, space objects don't move.
  33. When you see weird hologram recordings of the Engineers, you don't need to question too deeply what they're running from (can't be the black goo, since they run into the room with it).
  34. You don't need to wonder why the Engineers were leaving star maps to a weapons testing facility.
  35. Learning human languages means you can read and speak alien languages perfectly, enough to make a big green-grey guy stroke your hair (before ripping your head off).
  36. It's OK to destroy all life as long as you created it. It's not important to wonder why they want to kill all of us and want to do so, in such an ineffective manner.
  37. You can persuade a pilot you've spoken to a few times to commit suicide because he's a "soldier". Also, it's not necessary to inform him there might be other ships that the Engineer pilot can use anyway (to be fair, I don't think she knew, but that's still her ignorance that David quickly overcame).
  38. If a pathetic, tiny pink creature who is sweaty and yells at you (i.e. a human female) tries to kill you, it's more important to kill her than simply leave in the hundreds of other ships on the planet. This is despite the fact that you could probably have gotten onto one of these ships and used a big gun on her tiny ship, which you could identify because you have eyes.
  39. Despite the 'Alien' franchise indicating aliens start off as small as puppies, then grow, it's OK to show the 'first' alien as almost adult size despite the Engineer not being that much bigger than us and matching us 100% genetically.
  40. It's not necessary to go back to Earth to warn your species about a possible threat and the findings of your mission; instead you should try find that threat yourself with all the power of your… revenge and a half-broken android, to "get answers", because your previous encounters with this species indicates they're willingness to do so.
  41. You can't immediately go back to Earth, to stock up, supply, get an army, and then find these giant, powerful and smarter beings because… you'll waste time. They only haven't bothered humans for billions and billions of years but you never know! No time for restocking.
  42. How does Weyland know the Engineers would have the secret to immortality? (Real Answer: The fact that they haven't evolved over billions of years might be an indication. But Weyland doesn't know that they looked the same billions years ago. Only we do.)
  43. Why does Weyland think they will tell him the secret, assuming they have it?


More later :D
 
To questions 42/43 - he's a dying man that will obviously try whatever he can to live on, if there's even a possibility that the engineers can give him his answers, what does he have to lose by taking the chance?
 
Would anyone else agree that the engineer in Alien on the chair seemed much larger than theyre portrayed in Prometheus? The actor playing the Engineer at the end of the movie is 7 feet 1, in Alien though from what you could see of the Engineer it just appeared much larger in terms of scale. Apparently some of the space jockey scene was filmed on a smaller scale set with children in the space suits so i suppose that could account for the scale looking a bit off.

http://i.imgur.com/y0tCW.jpg

That pic shows the actor besides RS, hes much taller but not to the extent that i thought he would be, i was expecting around 9 or 10 feet for some reason.

but the dwarves in LOTR arent really 3ft tall actors ;) in Prometheus the engineers appear to be 10ft tall so im guessing they just use the same tech to scale them up, after all it would be hard to find 10ft actors.

i agree the engineer in Aliens appears to be 15ft if not bigger but then again he most likely didnt expect to make a prequel
 
Taken from here, 43 things: http://bigthink.com/against-the-new...prometheus-taught-me-about-the-future-science


  1. English girls grow up to be Swedish women.
    or they move and pick up the accent, like real people do!
  2. Little hammers can excavate entire caves; it's possible to date cave-paintings from a casual glance.
  3. When going on 4-year space missions, it's silly to ask what the mission is.
    maybe they were paid handsomly to not ask questions, much like real life covert ops
  4. Having exactly the same genetics means we can still look completely different; also, chimpanzees are an anomaly. And who said anything about dinosaurs?
  5. After billions of years, there's no point evolving or having an anatomy change. And yes, this is despite the fact that your species is shown creating life, possibly on Earth, which, according to 'science' started billions of years ago.
  6. Speaking of science, we learn biologists, when confronted with the corpse of an alien, run away.
  7. Aborting aliens is an everyday occurrence that is not worth mentioning to fellow crew members, none of whom have really done anything but follow your commands.
  8. After having your stomach ripped open and an alien ripped out, you can still walk, scream and run away.
    oddly my wife walked to her bed after an emergency c section
  9. Black goo can turn you into one of the infected from '28 Days Later' or give you eye fish. Whatever.
    to me black goo works with your emotions, rock guy was a tool so turned into a big freak?
  10. It's possible to leave an alien planet on an alien ship to find the original aliens, with nothing but a vaguely headless android and a sense of revenge. Food and water are not necessary.
    yet that android picked up how to work their ship easily enough and had plenty of star charts there. maybe it was like a sat nav with a 'home' button. it also had stasis chambers
  11. People in impressive recorded videos, from four years before, know the positions, even seating-wise, of the audience members in the present.
  12. When casting for old men, it's better to take a good-looking middle-aged actor and let a retarded bonobo loose in the make-up room with the actor tied to a chair.
  13. Sex between two extremely beautiful specimens of humanity is not worth showing, even vaguely, in a movie focused on beautiful visuals.
    rapace is beautiful?
  14. Military trained pilots can immediately detect the entire basis for alien buildings from casual glances.
    well, a big straight landmark would be pretty easy to spot i guess. its how pilots land planes
  15. Geologists who map complex cave-systems using fancy round robots, who are in constant contact with the ship, who have a live-feed hologram of the entire cave, can still get lost.
    the hologram wasnt seen by the 2 stupid scientists
  16. When making the greatest scientific discovery in the history of our species, it's not important to be in awe, celebrate, or show normal human emotion that would convey how enormous it is.
  17. Sprouting nonsense statements like "I choose to believe" is something a scientist from the future will say because we all know science is based solely on personal choice.
    some scientists are god freaks. admittedly its odd but IMO so is religion
  18. After one day of investigating an alien building, because there was no friendly alien there, ready to tell you all its secrets, it is necessary to turn to alcohol.
  19. Androids will kill humans to test a vague scientific theory.
    if they are told to by the guy who progammed them
  20. It's not necessary to tell anyone you're pregnant with an alien baby creature monster. Indeed, it's necessary to treat everyone as if they're trying to harm you, despite them having given you no reason to think that and despite the possibility that they would probably want to help you.
    do you think she was maybe more shocked at seeing a 'dead' guy alive?
  21. Biologists will stick their hands into cobra-snake-penis monster aliens but run away from long-dead headless alien corpses.
  22. It's ok to take your helmet off, despite the fact that oxygen is only one aspect of what makes breathable air and doesn't mean there aren't alien bacteria and spores that could probably kill you (since we have no defenses having never been to this place before)
    didnt they scan? im guessing they thought it might show bacteria? i admit this is tenuous and would have preferred if maybe someone had fallen and cracked helmet. holloway is a total dick tho so who knows
  23. It is necessary to allow your android to press as many buttons as possible on an alien artifact.
    he was alone
  24. It is completely fine to walk into a foreign, alien place without armed protection because … science.
  25. You shouldn't take it personally or even care when the person funding your missions says he's dead but then isn't. And then he really is.
    hence why rapace doesnt tell him about the alien baby incident
  26. People have different surnames to their daughters, despite the daughter conveying every reason to think she's not married (get billions of light-years away from Earth, sleep with good-looking men because they ask if you're a robot).
    separated mother. plenty of people dont have same surnames as their kids
  27. Science has decided there isn't that much difference between billions and millions of miles because... lightyears.
  28. Running in a straight line is the only strategy from a donut-shaped ship that is collapsing perfectly on its side.
  29. It is necessary to assert yourself as "in charge" of this ship and dictate what scientists may and may not do, despite them thinking otherwise, and then never leave the ship.
  30. You can burn a person's lover and she won't yell at you or show that much contempt for you.
    he told her to. he was a dick anyway, she would be better without him ;)
  31. Fire destroys everything, including alien bacteria and diseases.
    and it doesnt on earth?
  32. Disparate human civilizations all pointing to a cluster of round things in the sky over hundreds of thousands of years means you can plot those objects perfectly on a "star map": despite not knowing what those objects are (stars? planets? moons?) and knowing that despite these maps are from thousands and thousands of years ago, those objects - like the Engineers' anatomy over billions of years - won't be altered because... in the future, space objects don't move.
    would be easy enough to do i guess.
  33. When you see weird hologram recordings of the Engineers, you don't need to question too deeply what they're running from (can't be the black goo, since they run into the room with it).
  34. You don't need to wonder why the Engineers were leaving star maps to a weapons testing facility.
    maybe it wasnt initially. maybe it was a science lab of sorts? maybe on the other side of the planet was a lovely beach resort?
  35. Learning human languages means you can read and speak alien languages perfectly, enough to make a big green-grey guy stroke your hair (before ripping your head off).
    language is pretty similar and maybe we got our base languages from engineers? a language expert will be able to understand other languages
  36. It's OK to destroy all life as long as you created it. It's not important to wonder why they want to kill all of us and want to do so, in such an ineffective manner.
    sequel....
  37. You can persuade a pilot you've spoken to a few times to commit suicide because he's a "soldier". Also, it's not necessary to inform him there might be other ships that the Engineer pilot can use anyway (to be fair, I don't think she knew, but that's still her ignorance that David quickly overcame).
    if i had family on earth i would sacrifice myself to save them. plenty of people have died for the greater good. soldiers are dying every day for much less noble causes
  38. If a pathetic, tiny pink creature who is sweaty and yells at you (i.e. a human female) tries to kill you, it's more important to kill her than simply leave in the hundreds of other ships on the planet. This is despite the fact that you could probably have gotten onto one of these ships and used a big gun on her tiny ship, which you could identify because you have eyes.
  39. Despite the 'Alien' franchise indicating aliens start off as small as puppies, then grow, it's OK to show the 'first' alien as almost adult size despite the Engineer not being that much bigger than us and matching us 100% genetically.
    this is the first xeno and was conceived and not fagehugged
  40. It's not necessary to go back to Earth to warn your species about a possible threat and the findings of your mission; instead you should try find that threat yourself with all the power of your… revenge and a half-broken android, to "get answers", because your previous encounters with this species indicates they're willingness to do so.
    i guess the engineers might have better and faster travel than puny humans
  41. You can't immediately go back to Earth, to stock up, supply, get an army, and then find these giant, powerful and smarter beings because… you'll waste time. They only haven't bothered humans for billions and billions of years but you never know! No time for restocking.
    they were in stasis until woken up.
  42. How does Weyland know the Engineers would have the secret to immortality? (Real Answer: The fact that they haven't evolved over billions of years might be an indication. But Weyland doesn't know that they looked the same billions years ago. Only we do.)
    maybe he thought creators might be able to patch him up? if they can seed worlds why couldnt they make him younger? what does he have to lose?
  43. Why does Weyland think they will tell him the secret, assuming they have it?
    he assumes life givers arent total morons, unlike the guy who wrote this



More later :D

to be fair some points are valid but many are just written by a clueless moron.
 
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