*** The Official X1950 Pro Thread ***

[Koosnaff]

Unfortunately they all look the same and you can't tell by just looking at the S-Video Connector. Also when you say you hooked up an external box, are you capturing video to an external device using Video-Out? Because if you are this is different. All cards can do Video-out, Video-in, that's the hard part. ATI really should have used another buzzword besides Avivo, because it's really confusing to everyone. Maybe that was there goal. Avivo really is not an acronym for anything. Read below which I lifted from an article on Avivo. It explains it better than I could......
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To further clarify, Avivo is more like a brand name that encompasses multiple technologies. There is no single product (at least not yet) that will do every process in the video path shown above. Instead, you will need multiple devices put together to give you that functionality, thus a fully Avivo enabled computer in your house will need to have a Theater Pro 550 card (for the capture and encode stage) and a R5xx based card with transcoding ability during the encoding stage as well as the last three stages of the video path, as mentioned earlier.
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So Avivo can do a number of fancy things with video but it still needs the Rage3D Theater Chip on-board for (Video-In) the direct capturing of video through the card itself to the PC. For example, my old X850 had a the Rage3D Theater chip integrated onto the PCB for VIVO and I could connect my Camcorder right to the card. So it looks like the X1950 Pro AGP users received the short end of the stick in this regard and most, if not all, of the AGP cards do not have VIVO or the Rage3D Theater Chip. Although, this IS a gamers card after all and not an "All in Wonder". As far as the PCI-E cards go, it looks like PowerColor and Diamond have VIVO. Luckily I no longer need this function since upgrading our Camcorder this year to a Sony that writes to DVD.

Also see first paragraph here....just found it

http://www.lostcircuits.com/video/sapphire_x1950pro/3.shtml

Please let me know how you do. They make some of the tech white papers pretty difficult to understand, so I will be the first to admit if I am wrong.

Yep, I stand corrected !

Just plugged in the breakout box (which came with my original XL800) and hooked it to my camera, and sure enough, there are no capture drivers installed with the x1950 - as you say, its missing the Rage Theatre chip.
Oh well, that explains why we only got the component HDTV cable in the box!

When you read the guff on the HIS webby and the ATI webby, it leads you to believe you have capture, but does not expressly say it. As you say, good marketing.

Still, my MMPC under the HDTV has the x850XT pe in it, and the box belongs to that now which allows VIVO and that is all I need it for, so I'm not too dissapointed.

Deffo worth a gripe tho...

 

[aircooled]

I dunno what to do now. I've just initiated my RMA(1st email sent and reply received) Ive also just reinstalled oblivion (vanilla) and have it on high + bloom&AA or HDR. absolutely gorgeous!!! some shader probs though. ill get a screenie if it continues. but its is BEAUTIFUL. I am still running it underclocked at 600/1485 + 100% Fan though.

What should I do?

And yes skeeterpsa, do that atitool and up the fan to 100%.

By running the fan @ 100% , all the time , "Void The Warranty"?
Using overclocking tools as "atitool" is a NO NO , I would think! would you?
The HIS X1950 Pro ICEQ3 Turbo 512MB AGP is maxed-out-as-is.
You must use caution when tampering using 3rd party software as "atitool"
That is why I chose the overclocked HIS product ,so that I need not tamper with it,
and not Void The Warranty.
To play it safe I deleted all GPU overclocking software from my computer!
I would recommend all do the same!
I would not want my RMA product to be returned to me stamped with big red letters
"Voided Warranty"

 

[honestjohn]

Yep, I stand corrected !

Just plugged in the breakout box (which came with my original XL800) and hooked it to my camera, and sure enough, there are no capture drivers installed with the x1950 - as you say, its missing the Rage Theatre chip.
Oh well, that explains why we only got the component HDTV cable in the box!

When you read the guff on the HIS webby and the ATI webby, it leads you to believe you have capture, but does not expressly say it. As you say, good marketing.

Still, my MMPC under the HDTV has the x850XT pe in it, and the box belongs to that now which allows VIVO and that is all I need it for, so I'm not too dissapointed.

Deffo worth a gripe tho...

That's funny. We were cross-posting and I had just added the part regarding the WDM Drivers. And yeah, you're so right, majorly confusing. I read the description of Avivo on ATI's site twice and when I was done I had a headache and was 3/4 convinced that these cards did have VIVO. Take Care.

 

[honestjohn]

Did any of you RMA your HIS Card from Overseas? Just curious as to what kind of turnaround time there was. Thanks.

PS- Elguwapo, we know you never overclocked the card. Ignore him and let him just keep talking. He loves baiting people and will eventually get himself banned as he did on Guru3D.

By running the fan @ 100% , all the time , "Void The Warranty"?
Using overclocking tools as "atitool" is a NO NO , I would think! would you?
The HIS X1950 Pro ICEQ3 Turbo 512MB AGP is maxed-out-as-is.
"Voided Warranty"

 

[skankmaster]

I have the HIS 512 card and have been wondering if the AGP Aperture size can be lowered in the bios, seeing as theres 512Megs on the card? I have 1Gb of mem - would this free up a lil bit of memory on the PC? or have I got the wrong end of the stick with regards to this?

 

[ShiWarrior]

I have the HIS 512 card and have been wondering if the AGP Aperture size can be lowered in the bios, seeing as theres 512Megs on the card? I have 1Gb of mem - would this free up a lil bit of memory on the PC? or have I got the wrong end of the stick with regards to this?

dont set it to ZERO

just do 64Mb

 

[honestjohn]

I have the HIS 512 card and have been wondering if the AGP Aperture size can be lowered in the bios, seeing as theres 512Megs on the card? I have 1Gb of mem - would this free up a lil bit of memory on the PC? or have I got the wrong end of the stick with regards to this?

How's it going skankmaster. I was just fooling around with this about a week ago while trying to sort out my problems with the HIS card. I gained 160 pts in 3DMark05 after I dropped the aperture size from 256MB to 128MB. Yeah, it's a small amount, but it did make a difference. I didn't test any lower than that though.

 

[ShiWarrior]

on my DFI Lanparty UT Ultra-D

I cant find the "aperture size"

maybe becuase its AGP only?

 

[skankmaster]

Yes, its AGP only.
ok, i will try lowering. Cheers.

 

[aircooled]

1..I found that aperture size of 128 works best, for me anyway.

2..Some of you have confused me with someone else known as guruboy,who seems not well taken.

3..I think "aircooled" is a cool name and it was available.

4..As for the "Void The Warranty" posts, I just want to be sure that I do not.

5..Someone must be paranoid. Maybe you honestjohn.

 

[marc2003]

3..I think "aircooled" is a cool name and it was available.

wow, what a coincidence.... no really.

4..As for the "Void The Warranty" posts, I just want to be sure that I do not.

e-tailers couldn't care less if you overclock the cards or not so long as they are returned in the original condition. that means no cooler adjustments and no volt/bios mods. they couldn't care less about software overclocking and have no way to tell.

 

[Vogon]

Am I missing something, or do all 256mb X1950 pros suffer the same issue as the Sapphire I got for a build today ?

Basically if you use the CCC overclock util, the screen flashes constantly with even just the tiniest of overclocks.
Are they all like that or have I missed something obvious ?

 

[aircooled]

e-tailers couldn't care less if you overclock the cards or not so long as they are returned in the original condition. that means no cooler adjustments and no volt/bios mods. they couldn't care less about software overclocking and have no way to tell.

That is why I will not speed up my fan or remove the heatsink and add Arctic Silver 5

Maybe I am paranoid but I play by the rules

 

[marc2003]

Am I missing something, or do all 256mb X1950 pros suffer the same issue as the Sapphire I got for a build today ?

Basically if you use the CCC overclock util, the screen flashes constantly with even just the tiniest of overclocks.
Are they all like that or have I missed something obvious ?

they are pretty poor overclockers i'm afraid. admittedly i have a 512mb agp card but i can only clock to 615 on the core - a measly 35mhz over stock. and the memory is even worse. just an extra 15mhz on that.

certainly using the ccc auto detect feature went far too high on my card and it stopped my pc immediately.

 

[honestjohn]

5..Someone must be paranoid. Maybe you honestjohn.

Sure Guruboy, just play nice. I didn't report your posts on Guru3D although I should have, but I will here in a heartbeat. And yeah, I'm soooo paranoid. I guess it was also coincidence that your first post here, was a mis-quoted post of mine from Guru3D right after you were banned. Oh yeah, still waiting for that link from you where you said I overclocked my card.

 

[marc2003]

That is why I will not speed up my fan or remove the heatsink and add Arctic Silver 5

Maybe I am paranoid but I play by the rules

tell me. how can running a fan at 100% damage it or invalidate the warranty? if i burn dvds at 16x on my 16x speed dvd writer am i going to bork it? if i run my pc3200 ram at 200mhz, will it die prematurely? if i.....

and yes, we all know fitting a 3rd party cooler/arctic silver invalidates your warranty. infact i mentioned that in my previous reply.

 

[Vogon]

they are pretty poor overclockers i'm afraid. admittedly i have a 512mb agp card but i can only clock to 615 on the core - a measly 35mhz over stock. and the memory is even worse. just an extra 15mhz on that.

certainly using the ccc auto detect feature went far too high on my card and it stopped my pc immediately.

Hmm its not the overclock thats the problem I suspect though .... its the flashing using overdrive at even 1mhz above stock, TBH the OC was curiosity as they do what they need to very well for the money, but I am suspecting a locked bios or an issue with CCC more than no overclock, heck it should do a little bit even if it was pants for clocking

 

[aircooled]

Sure Guruboy, just play nice. I didn't report your posts on Guru3D although I should have, but I will here in a heartbeat. And yeah, I'm soooo paranoid. I guess it was also coincidence that your first post here, was a mis-quoted post of mine from Guru3D right after you were banned. Oh yeah, still waiting for that link from you where you said I overclocked my card.

I have nothing agaist you honestjohn.
As far as finding that post, I can not, most of your posts have been edited.
It is not a big deal to me and I feel you missed the point of the post. I do feel that you are attacking me due to the fact you think I am some other person you do not take kindly to. I can let that go due to this reasoning.

 

[marc2003]

Hmm its not the overclock thats the problem I suspect though .... its the flashing using overdrive at even 1mhz above stock, TBH the OC was curiosity as they do what they need to very well for the money, but I am suspecting a locked bios or an issue with CCC more than no overclock, heck it should do a little bit even if it was pants for clocking

you could try ati tray tools. just don't use the auto detect feature as that will lock the pc too. just increment the speeds in small amounts and test for artifacts manually.

http://atitray.fangel.ru/b1/attsetup.exe

 

[aircooled]

tell me. how can running a fan at 100% damage it or invalidate the warranty? if i burn dvds at 16x on my 16x speed dvd writer am i going to bork it? if i run my pc3200 ram at 200mhz, will it die prematurely? if i.....

and yes, we all know fitting a 3rd party cooler/arctic silver invalidates your warranty. infact i mentioned that in my previous reply.

I would said you just have to be careful.
If nothing goes wrong, great. if something goes bad the makers of the product know how this happens, they test 100s of units, you can not fool them, they have seen it all. What ever can be done to a unit they done it and when they see it, they know how and why.