The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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chroniclard said:
Not sure Twitter needs a whole lot of "fixing". This so called political leaning is mostly in your head.
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I'm not overly bothered by any form of 'leaning', just consistency.. Although with their insta-ban on misgendering, it's odd to try to fight the notion they do not adopt left wing ideologies.

The Jessica Yaniv / Lindsay Shepherd situation was a prime example, a trans woman was able to be pretty vile towards her with zero issues, but Lindsay got banned when she retorted with a misgendering insult (which in context, considering Jessica's previous tweets to her is not unwarranted).

For the record, I prefer the style of moderation on forums such as this one.. I don't understand any platform that seems happy to allow people being obtusely uncivil towards each other.. Twitter is a cesspit from my perspective.
 
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Demon said:
I'm not overly bothered by any form of 'leaning', just consistency.. Although with their insta-ban on misgendering, it's odd to try to fight the notion they do not adopt left wing ideologies.

The Jessica Yaniv / Lindsay Shepherd situation was a prime example, a trans woman was able to be pretty vile towards her with zero issues, but when she retorted with a misgendering insult (which in context, considering Jessica's previous tweets to her is not unwarranted).

For the record, I prefer the style of moderation on forums such as this one.. I don't understand any platform that seems happy to allow people being obtusely uncivil towards each other.. Twitter is a cesspit from my perspective.
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Possibly, be interesting to see what happens, if anything.
 
Politics from youtune is the worst simply as you say, it clogs up the recommendations and you get and it all becomes the same rubbish.

It's partly why I avoid all social sites other than imgur, one of the few places I don't see custom rubbish, just plain old any random thing.
 
Demon said:
The Jessica Yaniv / Lindsay Shepherd situation was a prime example, a trans woman was able to be pretty vile towards her with zero issues, but Lindsay got banned when she retorted with a misgendering insult (which in context, considering Jessica's previous tweets to her is not unwarranted).
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Definitely it was either an overreaction or hypocritical (for not banning both) of Twitter but arguably Twitter got a load of flack for it and Shepherd's account was rightly unbanned a week, or so, afterwards.

Roar87 said:
You watch Jonathan Pie who screams at the camera with his one sided views, fantastic. I would even agree with some of what he says but there's a complete lack of balance.
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Like Rosie Holt or The Pub Landlord, it's just a comedy character; Tom (Walker) comes across a lot more level-headed in actual interviews although some of what Pie says is still pretty funny.
 
Roar87 said:
You watch Jonathan Pie who screams at the camera with his one sided views, fantastic. I would even agree with some of what he says but there's a complete lack of balance.
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Isn't Jonathan pie a comedy skit based at the current government? :D

It's one sided as since he has been around, its been one side in power surely?

Like SNL being one sided while trump was in power, now Biden is in, it's more Biden related.

Anyone watching Jonathan pie for anything serious is foolish.
 
Roar87 said:
You watch Jonathan Pie who screams at the camera with his one sided views, fantastic. I would even agree with some of what he says but there's a complete lack of balance.
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Its called comedy Roar. Do you honestly think he isn't going to take the **** out of Labour when they come to power in 2 years time? Lighten up.
 
MadMossy said:
Got a blue check mark, that's now $20 month thank you.

Platform is still free for the majority of users, but those who have been making bank on it now have to pay a reasonable fee. Seems fair to me.

Queue the lefties claiming "See Musk is against free speech"
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Most of those blue tick users aren't doing it for vanity, but as a way for "normal" twitter users to know they are who they say they are, rather than the numerous imposters that set up accounts with similar names to scam (for money, goods, or nude pictures etc from fans) or to try and defame those users.

The average "verified" twitter user isn't someone rich, but someone who might be "in the public domain" say as a writer, actor or artist etc (usually not exactly earning a fortune*) who have taken the steps to get verified as much to protect their fans as anything else.
I've seen a lot of blue ticks basically saying "well if he charges for it, so be it, i'll not pay and it's his responsibility to protect the users" or words to that effect.

I've also seen them comment, quite accurately that they are often the reason people are on twitter thus providing Twitter with what it's selling (human eyes on adverts), so why should they be the ones paying for musks little game, most sites would be ecstatic to get well known authors, actors, artists, engineers etc all providing them with free content to draw in users.

So yeah I don't think it's going to draw in much money for the chief twit, especially as many of the verified users seem to have been relatively ambivalent about twitter before musk basically declared open season by saying he would reduce the already woefully inadequate level of moderation.

This all ignores the fact that even if all 360k verified users went with musks brilliant and well thought out plan, it's only going to bring in around $86 million a year (if i've done my maths right), the reality is many of them won't (possibly most), and there as a good chance that many will leave twitter for other social media platforms that either don't charge, or do a better job of controlling the hate and scams, which in turn results in Twitter getting even less advertising revenue.

Basically Musk doesn't seem to understand the basics of the business he's been forced to buy after he played silly games.
The business makes money by putting eyes in front of adverts.
Those eyes come from the vast majority of twttiers users who are unverified.
Those eyes in many instances are drawn to twitter because it's a place to see and interact with people they like, the likes of the "verified" users that are often creating an awful lot of content for twitter for free.
You drive those verified/creators away and your entire business model has to change dramatically and rapidly.

As at least one person put it "imagine trying to charge RR Martin, Stephen King, Stephen Spielberg etc for providing you with their content, free", and that has been the bargain Twitter has had with those content creators until now, they gain access to the platform and the platform gains access to their followers to advertise to.


*The average writer or artist in both the UK and the US earns well below minimum wage from what they are known for, hence why so many of them have "day" jobs as well.
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
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Damn, that's surprising and pretty "based" of him... if there actually was "cause".

On one hand, these sorts of golden parachute things did have a legit use, especially in the time of takeovers, corporate raiding etc.. in the 80s, the exec team ought to act more in line with shareholder interests and a golden parachute helps sweeten things, they know they're going to lose status but they will get their multimillion-dollar pay out if they accept rather than try to block/disrupt some deal which provides value to shareholders etc..

On the other hand these days, these types of deals aren't always popular with the general public, granted Elon is the controversial character here but if this were bank execs getting million dollar pay outs for not really achieveing much and then getting sacked there would be the usual story about the greedy fat cats etc..

What is hilarious is that he's now got access to all the e-mails and the company slack etc. so there is a chance he does have some cause:


 
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