The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

unwashed potato! · 5 Nov 2022 at 13:51

Demon said:
It's fascinating, because I see all this ridiculing and laughing at Elon as a bit of Meltdown by people.. Revelling to this degree is bizarre, my opinion is Twitter has always been a bit too ideological and cancel culture runs rife through it, and I don't feel any real emotion at all about the obviousness of advertisers pulling out

You're looking at it wrong.

This is a major tech company, over taken in such a public failure of a way. Now the changes are publically happening too, even just the random "on a toilet ideas" are being publically shared.

Why wouldn't the users of a tech forum, find a tech story so interesting? It's not like we know nothing about tech and have no understanding of how these things work.

Add to it, you had Johnny Depp v.s Amber heard all for the public to see and it was a major story.

What's wrong with people enjoying it?

You can add your own reasons, but the reality is, if this forum didn't take an interest in tech, then surely that would be a weird thing?

Colonel_Klinck · 5 Nov 2022 at 13:55

dowie said:
Well, who else's word are you taking on this?

Elon claims they've been offered 90 days severance (I assume this is in relation to the California employees who are entitled to 60).

You've posted a lawyer's tweet, someone who is positing a "what if" rather than actually making a positive claim that they've definitely not been paid severance.

Is there anything else to go on? It seems like you've made a bad argument based on the lawyer's tweet but if there is something more why not post it?

She was simply pointing out what California law is, that is all. There are numerous tweets from sacked staff out there and I've not seen 1 saying they have been placed on gardening leave. Now I'm not saying they haven't been, maybe Elon at the last minute made that happen to avert the incoming law suits, maybe some got the deal and others not but you are clearly happy to take his word as gospel. If Elon is such a stickler for employment law why has he been sued multiple times for breaking said laws? He is famous for his terrible treatment of employees.

dowie · 5 Nov 2022 at 13:55

Demon said:
We don't know enough yet about the layoffs.. If he's broken employment laws, great, sue him, he's rich and people can have a payday.. There is a process for that.

Indeed, if he's messed up some admin process then why not, what's been presented so far though is Colonel Kinik taking the word of some lawyer who tweeted a "what if" scenario. Given that he's publicly stated he is offering 90 days severance (which is likely in relation to California employees) then I think it's pretty likely he is indeed offering 90 days severance... at least no one has shown otherwise so far.

Colonel_Klinck said:
She was simply pointing out what California law is, that is all.

LOL I'm glad that's now sunk in... that isn't how you presented it yesterday though! This will leave Twitter on the hook, he would have been better off doing X...

Colonel_Klinck said:
Seems firing half the workforce without 60 days notice in California is a no no and will leave Twitter on the hook for $500 fine a day per person + still have to pay their salary + still have to give them medical benefits. He would have been better off giving them 60 days notice and getting 60 days work out of them. Its not like he hasn't closed California offices before, he will know this and so will Twitter lawyers.

You're not necessarily better off getting 60 days of work out of people in this sort of situation but I guess if you aren't aware of things like severance pay or gardening leave then you might think that that's the only alternative to paying fines.

unwashed potato! · 5 Nov 2022 at 14:04

Apparently it's better to have the team at home paid to do nothing, then just say moderating content, even if they are doing to slower than they might normally.

Absolutely no chance they could effectively moderate now they have been given their notice.

dowie · 5 Nov 2022 at 14:13

In fact, we don't just need to take Musk's word for it, it seems Indian staff have already been informed they're getting 2 months severance, from what I could find US staff will get details of their severance packages next week (which is presumably the 3 months he's referring to).

MSN

www.msn.com

Here is an excerpt of letters shared with employees in India and reviewed by CNBC-TV18:

“Today is your last working day at the company, however, you will remain employed by Twitter and will receive compensation and benefits through your separation date of January 4, 2023."

Colonel_Klinck · 5 Nov 2022 at 14:18

Demon said:
It's fascinating, because I see all this ridiculing and laughing at Elon as a bit of Meltdown by people.. Revelling to this degree is bizarre, my opinion is Twitter has always been a bit too ideological and cancel culture runs rife through it, and I don't feel any real emotion at all about the obviousness of advertisers pulling out.

I am not a Musk fan either, I think he's a fraud, but I don't feel that emotional about that either, I know he's extremely rich and whilst I might not like his approach, I know to be not so naive as to think so superficially about it and just wait and see.

We don't know enough yet about the layoffs.. If he's broken employment laws, great, sue him, he's rich and people can have a payday.. There is a process for that.

And he's only laying off 3000 or so max isn't he? Disney laid off 32,000 back in 2020 (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/dec/02/walt-disney-layoffs-workers-struggle) for obvious reasons.. no one batted an eyelid then, it seems the only reason people care now (especially without knowing all the facts yet) would be their emotional fragillity has once again been triggered by the usual media circus pulling their strings.

I don't give a damn how many people he lays off from a personal view. 90% of them most likely had minimum 6 figure salaries and will walk straight into new 6 figure jobs. The concern is it will turn into a hellscape due to a lack of staff to moderate it now and the US has elections next week so the disinformation will be coming thick and fast from all directions.

What is funny is Elon coming in and being Elon and it blowing up in his face which everyone watching on could have predicted if he behaved like this. He was far better off before he bought a share, he could tweet what ever he liked, could troll and post nutty CT stuff and his only concern was the SEC coming after him when they thought he was manipulating stock prices again. If he had just had the sense to have a new CEO who everyone respected lined up and given them control from day 1 all this could have been avoided.

Now he's got advertisers to step back due to the way he behaves. There is a story on there of a guy who was on a call with him yesterday along with lots of other advertisers who made their concerns clear to Elon. When the guy started tweeting at Elon about the call Elon blocked him. Now he's said he's going to go "thermonuclear" on advertisers, name and shame them for holding back on advertising and work with right wingers to "cancel" their businesses. You couldn't make this stuff up. Its just hilarious to watch in real time.

chroniclard · 5 Nov 2022 at 14:19

Why exactly are people suckling on elons teets anyway....very bizarre.

Demon · 5 Nov 2022 at 14:20

unwashed potato! said:
You're looking at it wrong.

This is a major tech company, over taken in such a public failure of a way. Now the changes are publically happening too, even just the random "on a toilet ideas" are being publically shared.

Why wouldn't the users of a tech forum, find a tech story so interesting? It's not like we know nothing about tech and have no understanding of how these things work.

Add to it, you had Johnny Depp v.s Amber heard all for the public to see and it was a major story.

What's wrong with people enjoying it?

You can add your own reasons, but the reality is, if this forum didn't take an interest in tech, then surely that would be a weird thing?

Interest yes, absolutely.. discuss away, very interesting..

Starting getting too emotional? Angry? Gleeful? I'm not so sure.

Colonel_Klinck · 5 Nov 2022 at 14:21

C Kent said:
The vast majority will pay, they need their little dopamine hits, the ones threatening (lol) to leave twitter will be exactly like those celebs that said they would leave the country should trump get elected, all bluff and bluster.

Will they? Why pay for something that we were told would be a proper verification but now turns out you won't have to verify your identity at all. I'm sure lots of Elon bros/gals will sign up for the "prestige" but its worthless without your actual identity being properly verified. Its just paying to use twitter and have an edit button.

Demon · 5 Nov 2022 at 14:26

chroniclard said:
Why exactly are people suckling on elons teets anyway....very bizarre.

I also find that bizarre.

But you can be rationale and not like Musk but also not pile in like some 15 year old on Modern Warfare T-Bagging..

I am largely talking about Twitter here btw.. It's more watered down on here.

Colonel_Klinck · 5 Nov 2022 at 14:27

dowie said:
LOL I'm glad that's now sunk in... that isn't how you presented it yesterday though! This will leave Twitter on the hook, he would have been better off doing X...

What are you talking about. You're being silly again

dowie said:
You're not necessarily better off getting 60 days of work out of people in this sort of situation but I guess if you aren't aware of things like severance pay or gardening leave then you might think that that's the only alternative to paying fines.

You are better off giving them the 60 days severance and avoiding the $500 a day plus their salary, plus any other fines. That is all I said. And at that point no one was mentioning they had been given any severance pay, just that they had been sacked without notice.

You are making little sense at this point dowie, you just seem desperate to take Elon's side on this one which is silly, even for you.

chroniclard · 5 Nov 2022 at 14:28

Demon said:
I also find that bizarre.

But you can be rationale and not like Musk but also not pile in like some 15 year old on Modern Warfare T-Bagging..

It's the internet and it's the age of ultra polarisation. Brought on by Trump and brexit and the Tories. It's a given.

dowie · 5 Nov 2022 at 14:28

Colonel_Klinck said:
Its just paying to use twitter and have an edit button.

People are already paying to have an edit button.

C Kent said:
The vast majority will pay, they need their little dopamine hits, the ones threatening (lol) to leave twitter will be exactly like those celebs that said they would leave the country should trump get elected, all bluff and bluster.

The vast majority of blue checkmarks or the vast majority of users? I suspect plenty of current blue checkmarks will pay but it will be a minority of users and that's still potentially workable.

Demon · 5 Nov 2022 at 14:30

chroniclard said:
It's the internet and it's the age of ultra polarisation. Brought on by Trump and brexit and the Tories. It's a given.

Balanced perfectly by the ultrawoke and remoaners of course :cry:

C Kent · 5 Nov 2022 at 14:33

dowie said:
The vast majority of blue checkmarks or the vast majority of users? I suspect plenty of current blue checkmarks will pay but it will be a minority of users and that's still potentially workable.

Current blue check marks. The old skool ones that got the verification mark because they were somewhat famous will have no problem paying (well the ones i follow anyway) and the newer ones that have one (even though I have no idea who they are) will pay because they see it as a status symbol, if they dont have it how can they lord it over the regular twitter grunts?

dowie · 5 Nov 2022 at 14:35

Colonel_Klinck said:
You are better off giving them the 60 days severance and avoiding the $500 a day plus their salary, plus any other fines. That is all I said.

No, you didn't, in fact, you didn't mention severance at all, you said:

Colonel_Klinck said:
He would have been better off giving them 60 days notice and getting 60 days work out of them.

You seemed to be totally unaware of the possibility of severance/gardening leave and why the lawyer's tweet seemed obviously sus, of course now it turns out you were wrong to just take that tweet at face value you then change the claim.

Colonel_Klinck said:
You are making little sense at this point dowie, you just seem desperate to take Elon's side on this one which is silly, even for you.

I realise you and a couple of others like to see the world in black and white and you must pick a side etc. but perhaps you could just try addressing a point on its own merits instead of readily believing something because it goes against the current bad man etc.

Werewolf · 5 Nov 2022 at 14:35

dowie said:
This is perhaps why you don't just take tweets at face value simply because they're made by a blue checkmark account:

Of course, gardening leave is pretty standard and would seem to be the obvious move here and sure enough:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1588671155766194176

Sure Jono8, but if that were the case you'd not have to keep on making up claims on my behalf, it's something you really do seem to struggle with.

IIRC Twitter WAS losing $1 million a day.

Then Musk loaded a lot of debt onto the company with his purchase that involved around a billion a year in interest, funny how he doesn't mention that 3/4 of the daily loss twitter is now facing is due to his decisions.

Mr Jack · 5 Nov 2022 at 14:37

C Kent said:
Current blue check marks. The old skool ones that got the verification mark because they were somewhat famous will have no problem paying (well the ones i follow anyway) and the newer ones that have one (even though I have no idea who they are) will pay because they see it as a status symbol, if they dont have it how can they lord it over the regular twitter grunts?

I think a majority of blue checks won't pay. Why would they? The value of the blue check has been almost entirely removed by Musk. It no longer has any value for its original purpose.

C Kent · 5 Nov 2022 at 14:44

Mr Jack said:
I think a majority of blue checks won't pay. Why would they? The value of the blue check has been almost entirely removed by Musk. It no longer has any value for its original purpose.

Well I guess we'll see when it happens wont we, admittedly I'm basing my opinion off grown ups rather than the screeching man babies like Stephen King (I'll take a bet off anyone that he'll pay btw)

Mr Jack · 5 Nov 2022 at 14:48

C Kent said:
Well I guess we'll see when it happens wont we, admittedly I'm basing my opinion off grown ups rather than the screeching man babies like Stephen King (I'll take a bet off anyone that he'll pay btw)

You're talking about an interaction between Stephen King and Elon Musk and you think King is the one behaving like a "screaming man baby"? Okay O_o

But again, why would he pay? What's he paying for? The entire point of the blue checkmark has been removed.