The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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dowie said:
That's how it's used by activists... if you're unaware "eduCatE yOurSElf" is a well-known trope.



Who claimed they were forced? You're doing that thing where you attack claims that weren't made... again! Perhaps try to address what was actually said.



Eh? I'm just pointing out some facts, it's you talking about blame and fault etc.. It just seems like you're triggered because I've not been 100% anti-Musk, yet I think he's taken a big risk and he's overpaid for this thing. Where have I said that he's not scared off advertisers a bit himself?

This is just more binary thinking when yet again there can be more at play here, is that really too hard to follow? There doesn't need be a single causal factor for every situation.

Essentially you seem to be repeatedly quoting me any time I make a post that isn't 100% anti-Musk, it's just a really naive way to look at the world.
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Yawn. You're getting desperate and as chroniclard pointed out that is how the right wing loons reply, not activist unless they are taking the **** out of the loons.

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Ok forced is the wrong word but you are making a claim that its a serious issue and the activists have driven away advertisers, when the truth is Twitter was unable to calm the advertisers concerns of what Twitter was going to be like under Musk. That isn't the activists telling the advertisers they better not advertise with Twitter or else is it.


dowie said:
The staff thing might be a bit overblown, especially w.r.t the team actively ditched, could be a bit of a blow if teams they want to retain leave though.

The more damaging thing is the activist factor, they drove away advertisers before he even bought the thing. He might well be able to replace those or indeed have them come back once all the hype has settled down a bit but that's where a big chunk of the risk is coming from, that and the fact he's likely overpaid for this deal too (thus his attempts to get out of it).
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And your comment below is looking a little silly now that they seem to be scrambling to rehire staff.
The staff thing might be a bit overblown, especially w.r.t the team actively ditched, could be a bit of a blow if teams they want to retain leave though.
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Who claimed it was a single factor? Not me. I'm just saying he's compounded the problems by being Elon.

Triggered, wow you are scraping the barrel now.

Where have you stated he's responsible for scaring off the advertisers himself? I might have missed that.

Why are you going to the extreme? Why would I expect you or anyone to be 100% anti Musk in their posts? Stop being silly dowie.

Anyway I'm getting bored with this and I'm sure everyone else is bored of it as well.
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
Yawn. You're getting desperate and as chroniclard pointed out that is how the right wing loons reply, not activist unless they are taking the **** out of the loons.
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Perhaps you need to re-read the twitter thread, the activist CEO in his own words "educated" advertisers... the "educate yourself" meme is the result of that phrase being used repeatedly by activist types.

Colonel_Klinck said:
Ok forced is the wrong word but you are making a claim that its a serious issue and the activists have driven away advertisers, when the truth is Twitter was unable to calm the advertisers concerns of what Twitter was going to be like under Musk. That isn't the activists telling the advertisers they better not advertise with Twitter or else is it.
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It's in part a result of their campaign to do exactly that, I didn't make any claims as to how serious an issue it is (and it's pointless getting into subjective descriptions that you'll no doubt interpret differently) but I'd say it's not trivial to have lost revenue like that though.

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And your comment below is looking a little silly now that they seem to be scrambling to rehire staff.
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Well no, not particularly, having to rehire some staff is, of course, a problem, that doesn't negate that the overall thing has been a bit overblown. Id he rehiring the majority of those let go? Nope of course not.

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Anyway I'm getting bored with this and I'm sure everyone else is bored of it as well.
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I'm sure you'll be back again with another half dozen notifications next time I post some basic fact without acknowledging that bad spaceship/twitter man is bad and making sure to add some disclaimer along those lines. You're getting bored of it yet you do it all the time, jump in to argue against points not made and misinterpret what was said all because you've taken some naive binary view on things.
 
chroniclard said:
You are just wrong, move on.
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Eh? You decided you wanted to argue the toss over some semantics, it was my post and I'm literally telling you what I was referring to so no, I'm not wrong.

I referred to an activist, not a conspiracy theorist. Whatever language conspiracy theorists might use has little relevance, I've no doubt some anti-vaxers or other CT types might well also say "educate yourself" but so do activists and that's whats being referenced, conspiracy theorists/anti-vaxers have nothing to do with the post made.
 
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dowie said:
The more damaging thing is the activist factor, they drove away advertisers before he even bought the thing
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Don't forget this is dowie's made up comment on the input of the activists. It's based on nothing, just in the fact it excuses Elon for his poor actions and provides an escape goat.

He can argue again for days anything since, but this was his initial comment.

Absolutely no proof. Never mentions the more damaging thing which is Elon.
 
Colin the Great said:
Maybe he should have start with " Apparently " or " Supposedly " lol
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I had to click on show ignored content to see what was being referred to, the comment that the activist factor -> a drop in advertising revenue is more damaging than the layoffs ought to be pretty apparent I literally provided links to what I was referencing in previous posts, I'm not sure why the potato guy/Apex is pretending he's missed anything re: the input of activists.

Though in case he or others have had a bit of amnesia, here is some of the input from activists, my comment is not based on "nothing"...
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It's not from an Elon talking point though, there was a big thread on Twitter from the CEO of the non-profit org media matters literally detailing how an activist group called stop the deal scuppered pre-booked ad revenue:

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The context of the letter is that's what was sent to major brands before the digital advertising conference, it's been described as "educating" the brands by the CEO of one of the groups but the end result is they had a bunch of these prominent activist groups lobby them directly before the conference where they'd ordinarily pre-book ads and that resulted in them not doing so.
 
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So again, dowie has no proof.
. It's all just speculation, something he himself in this very thread moans about.

"let's deal with facts. Posts speculation."

You can't make it up :D

All the while, totally ignoring the input of Elon, which is the whole reason we were talking about advertising dropping in the first place, and Elon's divisive tweet that followed, that naturally would scare advertisers further.

There's plenty proof that advertisers have gone because of Elon. Absolutely zero proof (so far) that advertisers have gone due to some activists letter.

But dowie will argue for days, post after post, about how we should deal with facts, and what he said wasn't what he really said, and what he meant wasn't really what he meant, and never once mention the effect of Elon on advertisers. Not once.

We can all laugh at it as users are, but it does get boring after a while.

Another dowie hole, another day
 
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Colin the Great said:
Everyone on here must be a total saint in life and done nothing wrong and said nothing wrong their whole lives huh?
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I do love the replies like this.

It's almost as good as roars "how many have you donated" posts, about why no one can comment on poor Elon in a negative way.

Now your attempt is "you're not perfect so you can't comment on Elon in a negative way".

Next week it'll be "you've never run a twitter so you can't comment"

But the reason for the posts are all the same. They don't want us to negatively comment on Elon. And the results will still be the same, we will continue to freely talk about Elon.
 
He's not happy with the impersonation by some blue checkmarks recently (though that's been going on for years with the crypto scammers with blue checkmarks impersonating him).


The recent prominent ones have been obvious jokes! I thought comedy was allowed now?

On the other hand, if they are going to clamp down more on obvious clone accounts that would be an improvement in general.
 
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