The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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dowie said:
If you'd already read that thread then why pretend that I was parroting an Elon talking point when the involvement of an activist group is documented by someone clearly opposed to Elon... at least try and deal with what has been said.


I'm well aware of that, what does that have to do with anything? Is this more of this polarised thinking? I'm not allowed to refer to a source that's critical of Elon???
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Because it says in that very thread that they weren't telling advertisers not to buy ads but asking them to ask questions before buying ads and Twitter were unable to answer those questions and then shut up shop early. That is hardly the activists fault is it. And Elon did Tweet that its all the activist fault which is clearly a load of nonsense.

Then there is the tweet from the guy on the group call with Elon and other advertisers and again Elon wasn't showing them that their concerns were being treated seriously and then he blocks that guy for bringing that call to people's attention.

A bit rich calling others out for polarised thinking. You selected a part of a thread that made it look like its the activist fault when that wasn't the message of the thread at all. You keep trying to make excuses for Elon's terrible first week in charge when he has been a disaster in just about every measurable way. He's lucky its now a private company or the shareholders would likely be in revolt at this point. The banks are probably regretting picking up the phone to him.

If it turns out you don't need to prove your identity to get this "verified" account then that will make Twitter less safe than more safe which is what was being pushed out a few days ago.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Because it says in that very thread that they weren't telling advertisers not to buy ads but asking them to ask questions before buying ads and Twitter were unable to answer those questions and then shut up shop early. That is hardly the activists fault is it. And Elon did Tweet that its all the activist fault which is clearly a load of nonsense.
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What does that have to do with me? Again I was referring to the tweet you're now referring to... Again you're just carrying on with this blinkered polarised view "the activist's fault"??? I don't think I'd frame it as a fault, I think it was quite intentional and they're quite happy with the result.

Colonel_Klinck said:
A bit rich calling others out for polarised thinking. You selected a part of a thread that made it look like its the activist fault when that wasn't the message of the thread at all.
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You're free to read the whole thread, this really is just reaching now, I've embedded the bits relevant to the point I was making.

Colonel_Klinck said:
You keep trying to make excuses for Elon's terrible first week in charge when he has been a disaster in just about every measurable way. He's lucky its now a private company or the shareholders would likely be in revolt at this point.
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Where am I making "excuses"? I've said he's clearly overpaid for twitter, pointing out that an activist group got involved to scupper pre-booked advertising isn't making excuses for him, it's literally just highlighting a basic fact that's been pointed out publicly by a CEO of a non-profit and which I've linked to.

There are a whole bunch of activist groups currently lobbying advertisers, I realise some of you guys have a massive chip on your shoulder re: Musk but you ought to be able to look at basic information/facts without just outright dismissing things as "trying to make excuses for Elon" etc.

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So we all recognise Musks flaws, I certainly think he's a bit of a fraud and cleary has underestimated the job, but lefty meltdowns all around , Musk is part of this 'awfulness' in the world?

Dear lord, "Can you show me on the doll where Elon touched you"..

I've said all along, Twitter cannot be fixed, Musk just isn't the person IMO to do it, but it is entertaining to see this continued saltiness..
 
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Demon said:
So we all recognise Musks flaws, I certainly think he's a bit of a fraud and cleary has underestimated the job, but lefty meltdowns all around , Musk is part of this 'awfulness' in the world?

Dear lord, "Can you show me on the doll where Elon touched you"..

I've said all along, Twitter cannot be fixed, Musk just isn't the person IMO to do it, but it is entertaining to see this continued saltiness..
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Not Musk as such. He is just another narcissistic attention seeking clown. The sad and awful part is all the idiots that lap it all up.
 
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dowie said:
What does that have to do with me? Again I was referring to the tweet you're now referring to... Again you're just carrying on with this blinkered polarised view "the activist's fault"??? I don't think I'd frame it as a fault, I think it was quite intentional and they're quite happy with the result.



You're free to read the whole thread, this really is just reaching now, I've embedded the bits relevant to the point I was making.



Where am I making "excuses"? I've said he's clearly overpaid for twitter, pointing out that an activist group got involved to scupper pre-booked advertising isn't making excuses for him, it's literally just highlighting a basic fact that's been pointed out publicly by a CEO of a non-profit and which I've linked to.

There are a whole bunch of activist groups currently lobbying advertisers, I realise some of you guys have a massive chip on your shoulder re: Musk but you ought to be able to look at basic information/facts without just outright dismissing things as "trying to make excuses for Elon" etc.

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Do you have a problem with those activists contacting advertisers with their views on the situation?
 
dowie said:
There are a whole bunch of activist groups currently lobbying advertisers, I realise some of you guys have a massive chip on your shoulder re: Musk but you ought to be able to look at basic information/facts without just outright dismissing things as "trying to make excuses for Elon" etc.
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So are you saying these activist groups are the only reason large companies pulled ads on Twitter?

That it had nothing to do with Elon gutting the teams that moderate content or the fact that the account management teams have probably been gutted and the people that these large companies had delt with for many years have been fired.

It's clearly not business as usual at Twitter, so anyone with any business sense is going to pull back or pause to see how things shake out. The fact that they were also asked to by some left leaning think tanks probably had no impact on such a common sense decision
 
Demon said:
So we all recognise Musks flaws, I certainly think he's a bit of a fraud and cleary has underestimated the job, but lefty meltdowns all around , Musk is part of this 'awfulness' in the world?

Dear lord, "Can you show me on the doll where Elon touched you"..
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Because he's a "Trumper" apparently (as found by the psychic abilities of one poster), can't you see? The whole world is clearly just made up of "good guys" and "bad guys", Elon has been classed as "bad guy" therefore...

Make sure not to point out anything that might be seen as either positive for Elon or simply interpreted by the NPCs as making excuses for him, they won't like that at all.
 
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mattx4 said:
So are you saying these activist groups are the only reason large companies pulled ads on Twitter?

That it had nothing to do with Elon gutting the teams that moderate content or the fact that the account management teams have probably been gutted and the people that these large companies had delt with for many years have been fired.

It's clearly not business as usual at Twitter, so anyone with any business sense is going to pull back or pause to see how things shake out. The fact that they were also asked to by some left leaning think tanks probably had no impact on such a common sense decision
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I suspect they're quite risk averse, it's not worth it when there are activist types actively campaigning for them to pull ads and actively "educating" them about how the big bogeyman poses risks to unsavory content being seen near their product ads. I suspect some of them will return once all the fuss has died down a bit but it is perhaps a bit of a blow in terms of revenue that would otherwise have been booked, lots of this has occurred before the deal even went through.

At the moment there is plenty of hype, people are acting as though he's about to turn it into some alt-right Gab/Parler type thing but he doesn't seem to have made and significant changes to moderation policy just yet and the public statements have been about a committee being appointed etc.
 
dowie said:
Because he's a "Trumper" apparently (as found by the psychic abilities of one poster), can't you see? The whole world is clearly just made up of "good guys" and "bad guys", Elon has been classed as "bad guy" therefore...

Make sure not to point out anything that might be seen as either positive for Elon or simply interpreted by the NPCs as making excuses for him, they won't like that at all.
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dowie said:
Because he's a "Trumper" apparently (as found by the psychic abilities of one poster), can't you see? The whole world is clearly just made up of "good guys" and "bad guys", Elon has been classed as "bad guy" therefore...
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That fence you sit on must need constant round the clock maintenance with all the use it gets.

Come on dowie, give us an opinion! Take a side! That bush is tired of being beaten around.

Maybe there really are objectively bad people and good people? Maybe people really do have underlying bad intentions and maybe some really are very good at manipulating people like you into thinking they have some redeemable qualities or that they are doing something for some seemingly noble cause (free speech...lol).
 
I just read about a mass exodus of Twitter users leaving in favour of a platform called "Mastodon". Although I've never used Twitter myself, I've heard from a few people that Twitter was left wing. So I'm guessing now that Elon Musk is taking over, it's the left that is leaving for Mastodon. I hate it how politicised these web sites have become and I wish that politics could be limited a special section such as a debate section (we have Speaker's Corner), soapbox, have your say, etc. Then we can go about our normal lives in the main section of the site without being antagonised.

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Twitter users jump to Mastodon - but what is it?

The little-known social network's user base has swelled after Elon Musk's takeover of Twitter.
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dowie said:
What does that have to do with me? Again I was referring to the tweet you're now referring to... Again you're just carrying on with this blinkered polarised view "the activist's fault"??? I don't think I'd frame it as a fault, I think it was quite intentional and they're quite happy with the result.



You're free to read the whole thread, this really is just reaching now, I've embedded the bits relevant to the point I was making.



Where am I making "excuses"? I've said he's clearly overpaid for twitter, pointing out that an activist group got involved to scupper pre-booked advertising isn't making excuses for him, it's literally just highlighting a basic fact that's been pointed out publicly by a CEO of a non-profit and which I've linked to.

There are a whole bunch of activist groups currently lobbying advertisers, I realise some of you guys have a massive chip on your shoulder re: Musk but you ought to be able to look at basic information/facts without just outright dismissing things as "trying to make excuses for Elon" etc.

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dowie said:
I suspect they're quite risk averse, it's not worth it when there are activist types actively campaigning for them to pull ads and actively "educating" them about how the big bogeyman poses risks to unsavory content being seen near their product ads. I suspect some of them will return once all the fuss has died down a bit but it is perhaps a bit of a blow in terms of revenue that would otherwise have been booked, lots of this has occurred before the deal even went through.

At the moment there is plenty of hype, people are acting as though he's about to turn it into some alt-right Gab/Parler type thing but he doesn't seem to have made and significant changes to moderation policy just yet and the public statements have been about a committee being appointed etc.
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Again all about the activists

dowie said:
The staff thing might be a bit overblown, especially w.r.t the team actively ditched, could be a bit of a blow if teams they want to retain leave though.

The more damaging thing is the activist factor, they drove away advertisers before he even bought the thing. He might well be able to replace those or indeed have them come back once all the hype has settled down a bit but that's where a big chunk of the risk is coming from, that and the fact he's likely overpaid for this deal too (thus his attempts to get out of it).
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Your own words. They clearly didn't drive away the advertisers, pure hyperbole on your part. Twitters problems aren't activists, its Musk's incompetence and his way of acting that has advertisers very wary of putting their products on his new purchase atm.

There is no chip on my shoulder. I've defending Musk in this and other threads where there is undue criticism, I have a problem with him buying Twitter because he's a troll, impulsive and posts things with no care for the consequences, that might be fine at his other businesses but this isn't those businesses. Twitters biggest problem atm is Musk. And the problem is he's never going to change.
 
Jono8 said:
Do you have a problem with those activists contacting advertisers with their views on the situation?
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I do (noting that your question wasn't aimed at me) - because those are the sort of groups that try to get your brand cancelled if you don't do what they want.
They're basically threatening companies into boycotting twitter. That's how I see it.
All those groups should be cancelled, it should be the people via their political representatives who change how the world works, not some random salty campaigner.
 
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Xmas tree said:
I do (noting that your question wasn't aimed at me) - because those are the sort of groups that try to get your brand cancelled if you don't do what they want.
They're basically threatening companies into boycotting twitter. That's how I see it.
All those groups should be cancelled, it should be the people via their political representatives who change how the world works, not some random salty campaigner.
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Do you actually believe companies are pulling out because of a “random salty complainer” ?
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
They clearly didn't drive away the advertisers, pure hyperbole on your part. Twitters problems aren't activists, its Musk's incompetence and his way of acting that has advertisers very wary of putting their products on his new purchase atm.
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Clearly nonsense, there was literally a thread by a non-profit CEO detailing how they "educated" advertisers and helped stop a load of pre-booked advertising spend before the takeover even occurred... there has been plenty of campaigning over this takeover, if you don't think that's helped drive away some advertisers who are clearly risk-averse when it comes to campaigns by some of the activist groups involved then you're being rather silly.

Pawnless Endgame said:
I just read about a mass exodus of Twitter users leaving in favour of a platform called "Mastodon". Although I've never used Twitter myself, I've heard from a few people that Twitter was left wing. So I'm guessing now that Elon Musk is taking over, it's the left that is leaving for Mastodon.
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Some are trying to, how successful it is is to be seen... it seems a bit nerdy, if you complicate this stuff then do you get mass adoption of it? Or is this like people kicking off because say Apple doesn't allow sideloading of apps on the iPhone? In reality, a big mass of people just want simple, easy-to-use solutions, Mastadon has some additional hurdles re: having people learn about Mastadon nodes etc. Maybe it will increase in popularity among some Redditor types and people absolutely having a fit over Elon's takeover but it's got a lot further to go to actually replace Twitter. Having said that Musk is taking a very real risk here, this was an expensive gamble, he seems to have got some good ideas for the future direction of the app and will actually execute them/put them into production but if it doesn't pay off he could end up dumping it for a big loss.
 
imtoooldforthis said:
Do you actually believe companies are pulling out because of a “random salty complainer” ?
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It's rather large activist groups (not just some individual complainer) so yes brands will be wary, Media Matters for America has been quite active in getting brands to drop Fox news for example. BLM are always going to be fun for marketing/PR types to get on the wrong side of too!

I suspect these brands will come back but I don't think anyone is going to get into trouble for pulling ads because of this whereas they might well do so if they blundered on and booked advertising then copped a load of grief for the brand from these types.
 
 
Xmas tree said:
I do (noting that your question wasn't aimed at me) - because those are the sort of groups that try to get your brand cancelled if you don't do what they want.
They're basically threatening companies into boycotting twitter. That's how I see it.
All those groups should be cancelled, it should be the people via their political representatives who change how the world works, not some random salty campaigner.
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Threatening with words and the threat of not buying their stuff? Sounds an awful lot like they are exercising their right to freedom of speech and expression.

Yet, you don't want them to do that. How do you envisage stopping people from doing this?
 
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Jono8 said:
Threatening with words and the threat of not buying their stuff? Sounds an awful lot like they are exercising their right to freedom of speech and expression.

Yet, you don't want them to do that. How do you envisage stopping people from doing this?
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We don't have to stop them speaking, we just need to listen to them less. Cancel culture in general needs to do one.
 
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