Call me crazy, but it might just be that the ideals that these "activists" are instilling are actually popular with the customers of said brands, and that might well be the reason that these companies listen....
The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down
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Call me crazy, but it might just be that the ideals that these "activists" are instilling are actually popular with the customers of said brands, and that might well be the reason that these companies listen....
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That's blatantly not true tho. We roughly know the lefty areas and righty areas of the uk (edit, and the world), the point being we know there's plenty of both. But the whole country buys coke, or uses soap (in b4 someone argues rightys don't wash lul), or buys cars. The point being these are standard issue products that everyone buys, and clearly everyone doesn't believe the same thing.
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It most definitely is.
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Oh no it isn't. /panto.
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Aye I'm guessing asking the companies to ask the questions is ending up with the advertisers realising that some of their assumptions about how twitter will operate next year were maybe not correct...
The advertisers spend a small fortune on doing research on their customers and a very big fortune on getting their branding right, so they do tend to be quite careful about where they advertise and will re-evaluate where they spend money if they have questions about how advertising in X magazine or Y site will affect that brand.
Twitter is a small part of the advertisers spend, but potentially a very big liability for them at the moment and going from what i've read Musk and co did absolutely nothing to reassure them when they talked (far from it if what i've read is true), so they've decided to wait and see, spending their money elsewhere for now as that for them is the safe approach, unfortunately for twitter and musk it's very bad news as they need the advertisers far more than the advertisers need them.
I suspect the average advertising exec these days is far more aware of the potential pitfalls of advertising on "social media" than they were about 10 years ago and more cautious.
So what your saying is companies need a team of moderators and a transparent policy on content restrictions to filter out hate speech from both sides of the political spectrum to leave a nice middle ground of content that is safe to advertise on right?
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In principle yes. In reality those groups get dominated by far-left ppl, so naturally it's biased. If it could be done properly, then sure.
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I always find it amusing (read: telling) when people type
like that. It's as if they're spitting the word like they just ate a marzipan-coated anchovy.
like that. It's as if they're spitting the word like they just ate a marzipan-coated anchovy.
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I just read about a mass exodus of Twitter users leaving in favour of a platform called "Mastodon". Although I've never used Twitter myself, I've heard from a few people that Twitter was left wing. So I'm guessing now that Elon Musk is taking over, it's the left that is leaving for Mastodon. I hate it how politicised these web sites have become and I wish that politics could be limited a special section such as a debate section (we have Speaker's Corner), soapbox, have your say, etc. Then we can go about our normal lives in the main section of the site without being antagonised.
Twitter users jump to Mastodon - but what is it?
The little-known social network's user base has swelled after Elon Musk's takeover of Twitter.www.bbc.co.uk
Twitter isn't left wing. There are no shortage of right wing voices on there. Some of the more extreme have been banned because in many cases advertisers don't want their products next to such content. Some others were banned who shouldn't have been. Plenty of people banned who weren't on the right wing though.
Good luck not politicising anything in the US. Politics is in every part of their society from county level commissions, school boards and sadly even local police departments and its only getting worse.
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Oh so talking to advertisers and asking them to get some reasurances from Twitter is them forcing advertisers to walk away is it? Maybe the problem is Twitter and Musk. We've seen in the last week what a loose cannon he is, do you think him saying he's going to go "thermonuclear" on them will have them reaching for their cheque books? Posting up CT after the Speaker of the House husband is almost murdered, do you think advertisers see that and think, this is the place to spend their money? You seem determined to blame everyone but Musk. Stop being so silly dowie.
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Tell me more about these marzipan anchovies, sounds like something I would eat!
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Yes, just like that right group that has called in Elon to shake the bands, so that right group can cancel them, and Elon replied saying he will go thermo nuclear on said brands if it continues.
You type as though you give lots of value to the left side and their attempts to cancel, but don't know, the leader of twitter is posting with those in the right, about cancelling brands.
Do you see the real issue here?
Also, twitter isn't left or right, the issue is, those in the right typically get banned because of how extreme they are and open about it, and then there's news of those that are banned being unbanned, and of course those on the left view this as an issue as its most those on the right that are the issue. But you then post that it's left leaning twitter. Why is that? You're trying to create division it seems. Not good.
Finally, what do you suggest shoppers do when they see the brands they like, advertising on a platform next to say, nazi sympathisers? Do those shoppers get to boycott the brand? If so, isn't it better that those brands are aware they their customers don't like x so they can decide if they should stop doing it?
You want brands to listen less to these customers, the customers that say, if you're funding a platform that spreads hate on Jews I won't shop with you any more.
Come on man!
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You've heard of the expression "getting sent to Coventry" right? What do you think that meant? Cancel culture has been with us forever. Its just social media has allowed people to organise and put pressure on whatever they may not agree with with ease, where as in the past it was near impossible unless you could get somehow the press involved. The press were massively into cancel culture and would use their power to target anything/one they didn't agree with. The right is just as into cancel culture as the left. Does it all go too far on occasion? Yes but that is society, the mob is famous for going too far and social media is a mob megaphone.
No, but thank you
That's how it's used by activists... if you're unaware "eduCatE yOurSElf" is a well-known trope.
Who claimed they were forced? You're doing that thing where you attack claims that weren't made... again! Perhaps try to address what was actually said.
Eh? I'm just pointing out some facts, it's you talking about blame and fault etc.. It just seems like you're triggered because I've not been 100% anti-Musk, yet I think he's taken a big risk and he's overpaid for this thing. Where have I said that he's not scared off advertisers a bit himself?
This is just more binary thinking when yet again there can be more at play here, is that really too hard to follow? There doesn't need be a single causal factor for every situation.
Essentially you seem to be repeatedly quoting me any time I make a post that isn't 100% anti-Musk, it's just a really naive way to look at the world.
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In other news Twitter has made an oopsie with (some) of the sacked workers.. perhaps they rushed this one a bit... "oh drat, we need Darren to fix that thingie actually, he's the main go-to person for that":
www.bloomberg.com
Twitter Now Asks Some Fired Workers to Please Come Back
Twitter Inc., after laying off roughly half the company on Friday following Elon Musk’s $44 billion acquisition, is now reaching out to dozens of employees who lost their jobs and asking them to return.
www.bloomberg.com
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Good job those companies pulled their ads so they have some time to focus on building out these features probably done Elon a favourIn other news Twitter has made an oopsie with (some) of the sacked workers.. perhaps they rushed this one a bit... "oh drat, we need Darren to fix that thingie actually, he's the main go-to person for that":
Twitter Now Asks Some Fired Workers to Please Come Back
Twitter Inc., after laying off roughly half the company on Friday following Elon Musk’s $44 billion acquisition, is now reaching out to dozens of employees who lost their jobs and asking them to return.
Also has any company ever shed 50% of it's staff in one go and been a successful business years later can't think of any off the top of my head but can name plenty that failed
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It's almost like it was completely predictable that if you buy a company and immediately sack a load of them based on either not understanding their job, or something as stupid as "amount of code written" you end up with problem.In other news Twitter has made an oopsie with (some) of the sacked workers.. perhaps they rushed this one a bit... "oh drat, we need Darren to fix that thingie actually, he's the main go-to person for that":
Twitter Now Asks Some Fired Workers to Please Come Back
Twitter Inc., after laying off roughly half the company on Friday following Elon Musk’s $44 billion acquisition, is now reaching out to dozens of employees who lost their jobs and asking them to return.
I was seeing some discussion of this last night just before I headed to bed and people were pointing out the way Musk dumped them he probably cannot now "recall" them under their old contracts (as he claimed their roles were effectively redundant) but will need to rehire them on new contracts, and those staff could well be in very strong positions to bargain for their old job back at much better hourly rates. I suspect he's going to find this happens time and time again as certain issues won't be apparent in a day or so but will start to pop up a few weeks/months down the line and they find that what Musk thought was easy and could be done by anyone, does in fact need someone who knows the system well to do it (or to recover from a problem after it's messed up by someone who didn't know the system and assumed it worked a specific way).
It's amazing how much the super genius Musk keeps managing to not only put his foot in it, but his ankle, knee and indeed hip.
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Its a right wing ct loon trope not an activist trope.
The redundancy thing is perhaps more a UK thing, in the UK it's the role that is made redundant not the person so that issue could perhaps arise here if you wanted to get someone back in, as they're still in the notice period and the UK redundancy process tends to involve going through the motions of finding another role for them etc. then yeah I believe it would be something akin to what you've said - they'd need to be offered a "new" role in the company which just happens to have a bunch of responsibilities their old role had... oops!
In California, though it's an "at will" state, there are perhaps better contract provisions etc.. for some workers but basically, the legal situation seems to be that an employer can simply sack you, no pretense about your role being made redundant just we're letting you go and will pay your notice period etc. Those workers, AFAIK, simply could be hired back into their original roles, they're still technically employed by Twitter for the next nearly 90-ish days so they could mutually agree to rescind the notice of termination.
I think in either case they're (possibly) in a strong positon to bargain, the H1b types perhaps less so, but it's not so much dependent on whether Musk can or cannot recall them to their old roles ut rather that he obviously needs a few of them and that's leverage in and of itself.
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