The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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Jono8 said:
This is about as silly a semantic argument as you can get.

Would it make you feel better if I said instead - "Elon Musk (very shortly after taking over Twitter), used his influence to tell the American people to vote the GOP into control of congress"?
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He didn't though, he told independent voters to for a particular reason.

Stating he bought twitter then told everyone to vote Republican is missing some rather obvious context, I think another poster did that too at the time, in fact used it to highlight some bias: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...demographic-melts-down.18950820/post-35994042
 
Raymond Lin said:
Oh, so now you are debating on the "everyone" part.

As I said, like he could change the minds of Obama supporters or Trump supporters need anymore encouragement. It is all the more concerning and WORSE that he targeted the independent voters.
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Hilariously, Elon even addresses this in his tweet.

He didn't like "immediately" either. Sorry, should have said a week or so after taking over Twitter... :cry:
 
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Raymond Lin said:
Oh, so now you are debating on the "everyone" part.

As I said, like he could change the minds of Obama supporters or Trump supporters need anymore encouragement. It is all the more concerning and WORSE that he targeted the independent voters.
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That was the point in the first place Ray, that he'd not just made some broad call for everyone to vote Republican but that he'd made a call to independent voters for this particular election for a particular reason.

Again I literally quoted you and explained this point already: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...demographic-melts-down.18950820/post-36044621
 
I imagine everyone thinks themselves as 'independent-minded', so even if he was specifying the non-aligned it doesn't really matter.

Anyway the endless political deadlock is bad for the people he wants to exploit, good for him as an oligarch so it's inherently selfish and not like he would wish people to believe is him being 'balanced'.
 
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dowie said:
That was the point in the first place Ray, that he'd not just made some broad call for everyone to vote Republican but that he'd made a call to independent voters for this particular election for a particular reason.

Again I literally quoted you and explained this point already: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...demographic-melts-down.18950820/post-36044621
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The point is also that he did tell people (now you can pick the ones that you like) to vote for the GOP. The point was that in that tweet, he told people to vote for the GOP.

Everyone can read it, not just Democrats, not just Republicans, not just Independents. But that tweet was public, for everyone to see.

THAT IS A FACT. It's not about context. People, log into Twitter, reads that, and see themselves to are "oh, I am an independent minded person, even the most extreme far left or right", and be at the subject of that tweet, think that they are the targeted audience.

That is everyone.
 
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Raymond Lin said:
The point is also that he did tell people (now you can pick the ones that you like) to vote for the GOP. The point was that in that tweet, he told people to vote for the GOP.

Everyone can read it, not just Democrats, not just Republicans, not just Independents. But that tweet was public, for everyone to see.

THAT IS A FACT. It's not about context. People, log into Twitter, reads that, and see themselves to are "oh, I am an independent minded person, even the most extreme far left or right", and be at the subject of that tweet.

That is everyone. If you are a far right Trump supporter, you will go "HELL YEAH!". If you are a Obama supporter, you will think he is nuts.
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It's so tiresome having to remove context and nuance from every discussion
 
Raymond Lin said:
The point is also that he did tell people (now you can pick the ones that you like) to vote for the GOP. The point was that in that tweet, he told people to vote for the GOP
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But that he told some people to vote Republican in this recent election wasn't in dispute, I mean I literally posted the tweet in here.
 
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Roar87 said:
It's so tiresome having to remove context and nuance from every discussion
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It's so tiresome seeing the same people attempt to insert their own perceived "context and nuance" into things.

Elon said that the American people should vote the GOP into congress. He wanted the population to vote, in a way that would make the GOP win. That is a fact. No nuance. No other context.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Also tiresome to deny facts.
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What facts have been denied? Jono repeated an incorrect claim that lacked context and had already been gone over a few days ago, as he well knows. Elon didn't call for *everyone* to vote Republican, he called for independents to do so in this particular election.
 
dowie said:
What facts have been denied? Jono repeated an incorrect claim that lacked context and had already been gone over a few days ago, as he well knows. Elon didn't call for *everyone* to vote Republican, he called for independents to do so in this particular election.
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you are just going round in circles now.

The bit where you said "No, he didn't". And they used "Context" as an excuse.

Then you admit he did tweet it and not denying he said that.

And then you said "No one is denying that".

You keep agreeing and disgreeing with yourself here.
 
Jono8 said:
It's so tiresome seeing the same people attempt to insert their own perceived "context and nuance" into things.

Elon said that the American people should vote the GOP into congress. He wanted the population to vote, in a way that would make the GOP win. That is a fact. No nuance. No other context.
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It's fine for people to have personal opinions, it's not necessarily reflective of how Twitter treats people. The last Twitter team didn't tell people to vote for the Democrats, they just banned a lot of Conservatives including the sitting President.
 
Raymond Lin said:
The bit where you said "No, he didn't". And they used "Context" as an excuse.
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No, it's just pointing out a fact; he didn't tell *everyone* to vote Republican. That there is also some context to it is in addition to that.

Raymond Lin said:
Then you admit he did tweet it and not denying he said that.

And then you said "No one is denying that".

You keep agreeing and disgreeing with yourself here.
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Nope, I did not admit he tweeted that, he didn't, go read the tweet again! I pointed out that he didn't and I posted what he did in fact tweet directly in the thread. How are you still getting confused here?
 
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The point i am making is that tweet was for EVERYONE to see. There is no filter for Independent voters.

More so the fact that people think they are independently minded, even @Roar87 would think he is (I can't deny him), I like to think i am too, everyone think they are. Nobody like to think they are a sheep.

Therefore, if you want to add "context" to it, that tweet ended up being for everyone anyway, regardless that he said "for the independents".
 
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Raymond Lin said:
The point i am making is that tweet was for EVERYONE to see. There is no filter for Independent voters.
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Yes, the tweet was public so anyone could read it.

Raymond Lin said:
More so the fact that people think they are independently minded, even @Roar87 would think he is (I can't deny him), I like to think i am too, everyone think they are. Nobody like to them they are a sheep.

Therefore, if you want to add "context" to it, that tweet ended up being for everyone anyway, regardless that he said "for the independents"
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No that's clearly falwed, read the second tweet too, I don't need to add any context as he puts into context who he is referring to himself: "Hardcore Democrats or Republicans never vote for the other side, so independent voters are the ones who actually decide who’s in charge!"

I perhaps should add some context if you like though as you don't seem to have followed that part; various US states, as part of voter registration, will have part affiliation questions, plenty of US voters are officially registered as either Democrat or Republican voters, and those who aren't are *independent voters* (they may well usually vote democrat or usually vote republican but they're not hardcore party faithful) - those are the people he's addressing when he said *independent voters* - those voters who aren't affiliated with either party.
 
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dowie said:
Yes, the tweet was public so anyone could read it.



No, read the second tweet too, I don't need to add any context he puts into context who he is refering to himself: "Hardcore Democrats or Republicans never vote for the other side, so independent voters are the ones who actually decide who’s in charge!"

I could add some context if you like though; various US states, as part of voter registration, will have part affiliation questions, plenty of US voters are officially registered as either democrat or Republican voters, and those who aren't are *independent voters* (they may well usually vote democrat or usually vote republican but they're not hardcore party faithful) - those are the people he's addressing when he said *independent voters* - those voters who aren't affiliated with either party.
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I know all that too. And you can still change your mind even if you are registered with a party. And as I said earlier, that is even worse what he is doing.
 
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Raymond Lin said:
I know all that too. And you can still change your mind even if you are registered with a party. And as I said earlier, that is even worse what he is doing.
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Well, of course, you can change your mind, the point though is you were talking about how anyone could see themselves as independent-minded but he was addressing independent voters as per the second tweet i.e. those who are unaffiliated.

I'm not sure what it is you think is "even worse"? He's simply voicing his views on the election.
 
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