The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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Jono8 said:
The reason for that, is because your ideas are not popular with their customer base.

If you do not like that, no one is forcing you to use Twitter.

Twitter is not the government. It is a company that needs to make money.
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Thats an very overly simplistic way of looking at things. If 90% of your customer base doesn't care what you do and buys your products because they like them and 10% of your customer base will boycott you and try to burn you to the ground if you don't say that the sky is green what would you say to someone who asks "is the sky green?".

Thats my point. They cater to the lunatics and the extremes because they are the people who cause trouble. Its always been the same in some capacity. The naughty kid at school got more attention than the good kids. Extroverts are rewarded more than introverts.

Social media just dials that up to 11 and to be seen and noticed you want to be as polarising and extreme as possible whilst retaining some level of mass appeal. There is a reason everything in the news is exaggerated. So and so "slammed" the government for their views on X. Thats part of the reason why so many things are hate crimes. Hate is a very strong word that doesn't even come close to describing most of the things that are labelled hate crimes.
 
Roar87 said:
You do realise there is the concept of free speech that is separate from the one that exists in the American constitution? Most reasonable people understand that social media platforms have become the main way of communication in our society, simply the fact they're in private hands doesn't mean that we should be perfectly happy to have one sides views censored and another not, that's a ridiculous idea. Then because technology companies are so intertwined and politically aligned even if you try to build a new platform they launch all sorts of attacks on you like removing your app from their stores and devices, now we're at the point where someone actually bought a platform and the attacks come in the form of advertisers suddenly withdrawing funding despite no actual changes to policy and Apple threatening to remove the app from their store. I think it's insane that people are actively seeking a platform that bans speech, literally begging to be censored and held in captivity like the Chinese population.
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This is a big part of the issue. Some people think that even if you control 99% of the media as long as you are a private company then freedom of speech shouldn't apply and that companies should be free to moderate as they see fit. I don't agree. Private companies (in theory) are still heavily monitored and social media companies should be no different. If you have the ear of millions of people and can dramatically affect the outcome of the world (i.e. Facebook in recent elections) then you should have heavy oversight and very much be held to certain standards that have not come from the political leanings of the people in charge of them.
 
Roar87 said:
You do realise there is the concept of free speech that is separate from the one that exists in the American constitution? Most reasonable people understand that social media platforms have become the main way of communication in our society, simply the fact they're in private hands doesn't mean that we should be perfectly happy to have one sides views censored and another not, that's a ridiculous idea. Then because technology companies are so intertwined and politically aligned even if you try to build a new platform they launch all sorts of attacks on you like removing your app from their stores and devices, now we're at the point where someone actually bought a platform and the attacks come in the form of advertisers suddenly withdrawing funding despite no actual changes to policy and Apple threatening to remove the app from their store. I think it's insane that people are actively seeking a platform that bans speech, literally begging to be censored and held in captivity like the Chinese population.
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Maybe the advertisers just simply don't like Elon Musk and dont want to do business with him?

That is the free market. You cannot force one person to do business with another.

If your ideas were so popular, you absolutely would have a large social media company that catered for you. They are not, so you don't.
 
fez said:
If you have the ear of millions of people and can dramatically affect the outcome of the world (i.e. Facebook in recent elections) then you should have heavy oversight and very much be held to certain standards that have not come from the political leanings of the people in charge of them.
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The guy just bought Twitter and immediately told everyone to vote GOP, yet you worry that left wing/liberal voices are the ones in control of everything?

Honestly, you all don't live in reality.
 
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Roar87 said:
Most reasonable people understand that social media platforms have become the main way of communication in our society, simply the fact they're in private hands doesn't mean that we should be perfectly happy to have one sides views censored and another not, that's a ridiculous idea.
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Luckily there have been hundreds of independent expert analysis to examine possible bias in social media and not a single article has ever shown proof of bias. What the research does show is that people with certain political views are far more likely to resort to hate speech and regurgitate racist, homophobic or islamophobic dross which directly goes against the platform's T&C.
 
D.P. said:
Luckily there have been hundreds of independent expert analysis to examine possible bias in social media and not a single article has ever shown proof of bias. What the research does show is that people with certain political views are far more likely to resort to hate speech and regurgitate racist, homophobic or islamophobic dross which directly goes against the platform's T&C.
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The question then is how did the left wing illuminati infiltrate all those independent studies.
 
Naff8000 said:
The question then is how did the left wing illuminati infiltrate all those independent studies.
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They are so powerful, that they have a big, purposeful tight grip on the all the big social media companies, because that is what the deep state libs want.

They would never dream of selling such a powerful propaganda/right wing view suppression tool to an erratic, narcissistic right wing weirdo....

oh wait.
 
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Hotwired said:
What's this, he's having a public tantrum at specific companies for not giving him money now?

Pandering to the right wing by accusing Apple of not being patriotic.

Because paying Elon Musk to do whatever the hell he feels like is patriotic :p
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Jono8 said:

HAHAHA

Says the man who told everyone they should vote for the party of election deniers.


Imagine being so stupid, that you think civilization, free speech and tyranny are dependent on the social media website you paid too much for :cry:
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I have to say a lot of his tweets sound like they could easily have come from a Trump speech.
 
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Naff8000 said:
The question then is how did the left wing illuminati infiltrate all those independent studies.
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D.P. said:
The lizard people control the publishers, who follow orders from the shape-shifting hyper galactic aliens who are intent on blocking hate speech on earth.
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I'm pretty sure Kanye West knows the answer, and it's not lizard people.
 
Jono8 said:
The guy just bought Twitter and immediately told everyone to vote GOP, yet you worry that left wing/liberal voices are the ones in control of everything?

Honestly, you all don't live in reality.
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You seem to have a very strange view on my opinions. I haven't advocated for either side or said that either side is in control of everything. I was pointing out that having social media companies that preference one side or the other isn't good. I don't think Elon is a good guy to be running social media. Never have I said that.

You have decided my views on these things and are then arguing against some perceived position I have on issues.

I think that small groups on twitter do have a lot of power they shouldn't do...in some areas. They are not running the world. I have never suggested they are. They are dictating policy in areas they shouldn't be though.

Elon Musk is welcome to tell people what he wants up to a point as well. I might think he is a pillock but hes entitled to his views. What he shouldn't be doing is prioritising his own views and silencing others who hold different views.
 
He still told people to vote for GOP.

The point is that he TOLD people to vote for the GOP, which he did, and, oh yes, he did. Who cares who he was speaking to? The point is he told people to vote GOP. The fact that 2 sides wouldn't change their stance is all the more important that he should have just shut up and not influence the middle with the position of power that he is in now because he could simply close down any accounts he wants.
 
dowie said:
I don't have any spin on it; he was speaking to independents, given that there is a democrat president + dems + republicans will vote for their side.

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Weird you think he was only speaking to independent voters, when his tweet says 'indepenent-minded'. You would wouldn't be misinterpreting what actually happened there would you Dowie?
 
Raymond Lin said:
The point is that he TOLD people to vote for the GOP, which he did, and, oh yes, he did. Who cares who he was speaking to?
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Because the context matters, he's an independent/moderate who has historically voted democrat; his desire is that Twitter is maintained as a place where people can freely express their views (within reason). The claim was he bought twitter and immediately told everyone to vote GOP, he didn't; he told independents to vote GOP in a particular election for the reason he gave.
 
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